AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby kholaras » Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:57 pm

We've got a list of awards up from the last three years so you can get an idea. The Expo award list is dynamic, but we try to hit a few 'core' categories including those listed in the awards while expanding to about 20 total (or as time permits) sharing the love around as needed. We make up categories at the drop of the hat and some survive the judging weekends, like Pop Will Eat Itself or Most Metal or whatever. Grand Prize isn't so much a "best in show" (really, almost any of the winners could qualify for that title depending on how well it's executed) but rather a "wow...*speachless*" kind of result from the crowd.

Guest/Staff awards are another beast all together. We show a LOT of videos at the con, and not all are in the contests. Some are unique to a panel or sneak out of the archive and onto our screen from other sources, and then again sometimes we just aren't able to award a prize to a deserving video in the contest. Guest/Staff awards are an opportunity for these videos to get some additional recognition and exposure, or to just reinforce said person's opinion of the awards we've already granted a video in the contest. SailorDeath's Longest Wait award is such and example. It wasn't given by the con, so it's not exactly 'official', but many of the editors consider it no less significant.
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby Kitsuner » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:35 pm

kholaras wrote:sometimes we just aren't able to award a prize to a deserving video in the contest.

There goes my theory that if a video doesn't win at Expo, it's a terrible video. :uhoh:
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby SailorDeath » Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:00 pm

Kitsuner wrote:
kholaras wrote:sometimes we just aren't able to award a prize to a deserving video in the contest.

There goes my theory that if a video doesn't win at Expo, it's a terrible video. :uhoh:



Are you kidding? Kholaras has to say that as not to offend those of us who made horrible horrible videos. Though he did tell me to die when he watched my entry :ying:
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby Scintilla » Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:29 pm

I know this would be way down on the priority list of things to take care of before the con now that we're so close to it, but could somebody appropriate on the VAT staff please add this year's contests to the contest calendar? Thanks~
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo deadline August 20

Postby Khameleon808 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:06 am

godix wrote:
55 - Ya know, 'epic' and 'long' are not synonyms... 2/5



They are in "MY" pants. LULZ

Nah but for real, thanks for the 2/5. We shall see how it holds up after this weekend. :)
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo deadline August 20

Postby godix » Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:06 am

Khameleon808 wrote:
godix wrote:
55 - Ya know, 'epic' and 'long' are not synonyms... 2/5



They are in "MY" pants. LULZ

Nah but for real, thanks for the 2/5. We shall see how it holds up after this weekend. :)

It'll probably do well, there wasn't that much competition for it really. Regardless, it wouldn't be the first time I have a different opinion than others. You don't have to thank me for the 2/5 though, the video deserved it.
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby Phantasmagoriat » Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:32 pm

I didn't see an "AWA feedback" thread anywhere, and if this gets a discussion going, maybe a coordinator can make a separate thread for AWA feedback... so:

  • I think AWA Pro should allow editors to upload/download their own *distribution copies* of their videos [creditless of course]
    -If AWA already allows individual downloads, why not have the best quality possible?
    -For a 'Pro' contest, shouldn't quality matter? [for example, I tried watching the winning video "The Apple Tree" in SD, but quickly opted for the HD version]
    -Allows editor to determine the balance between quality and file-size [even if limits are placed]
    -By entering this contest, I think it can be assumed that we know how to encode our own videos
    -Allows various file types/formats, framerates, resolutions, aspect ratios, luma ranges, subtitle support etc... generally better encoding methods.
    -Makes issues related to conversion non-existent [I had sync-issues last year, and quality-issues this year... and I could tell this changed some people's impression of my video]
    -Adds familiarity to the contest [it'd be just like uploading to the .org]
    -Quality would be up-to-par with videos downloaded from the .org
    -Basically it would be a much better viewing experience

  • I liked having the .mpg files available to check for proper playback at AWA...
    -that was an excellent idea. Maybe this could be done for expo as well...?

Anyways, I don't know what other people think, but these are just a couple suggestions ;)
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:05 am

For the judging that might be ok, however for show at the con that is another story in general. For Main events at most cons you're stuf with a SD projector connected to a DVD player so pretty much all the video have to be compiled into DVD mpeg complicant files.

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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby Phantasmagoriat » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:48 am

Yes, of course, I meant strictly for Pro since the contest is essentially online, and is geared towards computer playback. And after seeing your announcement thread this morning Vlad, I know of *at least* four people that made videos originally in HD: you, me, Khameleon808, and Nessephanie. I'm sure the viewing experience would have been much more enjoyable if we could have uploaded/downloaded the original distribution copies. It's not just the HD option either, there are a number of other advantages [listed above]
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:17 pm

Phantasmagoriat wrote:Yes, of course, I meant strictly for Pro since the contest is essentially online, and is geared towards computer playback. And after seeing your announcement thread this morning Vlad, I know of *at least* four people that made videos originally in HD: you, me, Khameleon808, and Nessephanie. I'm sure the viewing experience would have been much more enjoyable if we could have uploaded/downloaded the original distribution copies. It's not just the HD option either, there are a number of other advantages [listed above]


Well, actually the last video I did was in 720p... Again, I don't dissagree with that... One day SD will only be a thing old folks talk about (probably mp4 too at the rate tech stuff is going...)

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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby godix » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:34 pm

As Vlad says, the problem is in the showing rather than the judging. Judging really is the least of concerns, most people I've ever heard talk about it say the important thing is that the video be seen at the con showing.

Actually, if you spoke with the coordinators before hand, they were willing to work with editors. I had a 1600x480 video (yes yes, I typed that right) I was thinking about submitting to Pro. So I asked if I could submit two versions - a full resolution one for judges to download and a 720x480 for display at the con. Eventually I decided to not submit since I wasn't happy with the results of forcing it into 720x480 though. Since I didn't do it, I don't know for sure they would have accepted this, but they were receptive to the possibility and didn't dismiss me out of hand. Coordinators provide their contact info for a reason, use it if you got reasonable requests like this. The worst that happens is they say no.

That being said, I do know that AWA people are aware of these concerns. It's entirely possible some things will be changed next year. I'm not on the AWA staff so I don't know what, if anything, they're going to do. However, I have a pretty high confidence cons will deal with HD in the near future.
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby Nya-chan Production » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:24 pm

How much is HD projector's cost (a one that could be connected to MPC-HC with codecs on notebook that almost anyone has today)?
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby Pwolf » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:31 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:How much is HD projector's cost (a one that could be connected to MPC-HC with codecs on notebook that almost anyone has today)?


Lower end, about $1000 - $2000 for 1080p
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:09 pm

the problem with HD Projectors is the low end ones do not have the brightness (lums)... A real good SD projector you can rent can get up to 10,000 lums (which is what I have at Sakura-Con).. best you can do with HD right now is may 5,000-6000 lums andf they are EXPENSIVE. Sure you can get a 10,000 lums, but that is out of anyone's budget even to rent!

I would rather stay with a SD projector for now that can do 1024x768 or better VGA resolution but have 10K lums as the picture is then rocks solid and Nice on a HUGE screen) untill HD projerctors for big screens are more resonable.

I think we will still see DVD in main event rooms as the norn, however I do this changing so HD is not that far away for becomign main stream at cons.

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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo 4 days left, August 20

Postby Nya-chan Production » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:13 pm

And why can't SD projectors be used for HD content in mp4 again?

Excuse me (I don't know US con scene, obviously), it's just that all the local (Czech, Hungarian, Slovakian, etc) cons I know of screen 720p mp4s (and other formats) just fine.
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