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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby Mister Hatt » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:25 am

Kionon lacks encoder eyes and he listed some problems with it for you. Why don't you read what he said.
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby Cyrix » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:45 pm

He was imagining problems. The part of the girl he was complaining about was from the original DVD.
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby Athena » Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:26 pm

I'm not imagining anything. It doesn't matter if the problems are in the original source (almost all are), you still have to fix them. You need to apply filtering to mitigate the damage. For that you need Avisynth. Period.
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby Cyrix » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:44 pm

Naw I'm pretty sure you just use unsharp mask :D. Maybe I got lucky with Elfen Lied being progressive but if that's so it still is going to be giving good enough quality for beginners. Again, learn on the Camry before you get a BMW. I'm having many problems with my crappy Bebop bootleg, I might try avi synth for that
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby Athena » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:10 pm

Cyrix wrote:Naw I'm pretty sure you just use unsharp mask :D. Maybe I got lucky with Elfen Lied being progressive but if that's so it still is going to be giving good enough quality for beginners. Again, learn on the Camry before you get a BMW. I'm having many problems with my crappy Bebop bootleg, I might try avi synth for that


If I could triple facepalm, I would.

Using USM Is still processing. Sure, you can try using processing methods inside of your editing suite, but they suck.

There is no "good enough quality for beginners." There is "do the best you can, take criticism when it is offered, and do better next time" for all editors. Trying to set some sort of minimum "easy setting" will simply create beginning editors that "default" to your "easy setting" and won't improve by experimenting with more complicated, but better, processes.

I actually drove a 3-series before ever driving any type of Toyota at all.

Not that you'd be doing very well on this score already, but admitting you use bootlegs, just kills even more credibility. That's not just frowned on here, that's actually straight up against the Editor's Code.
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby Cyrix » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:05 pm

I see none of your AVI synth guides taught you how to recognize a joke.

Not that you'd be doing very well on this score already, but admitting you use bootlegs, just kills even more credibility. That's not just frowned on here, that's actually straight up against the Editor's Code.

It was one of the first animes I bought, before I knew how to recognize a bootleg. The quality of the packaging is so incredibly high I would never have guessed that FX is a bootlegging company. Seriously, my bootleg Cowboy Bebop has better packaging than my official anime DVDs, even the goddamned Evangelion platinum collection I paid $76 for. I haven't bought a bootleg since I learned how to recognize them in 2006.

Notwithstanding, I sure see a lot of people here talk about editing off of torrents, bootlegs, and even files ripped off of Youtube.
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby Cyrix » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:13 pm

Also I had assumed with all these abysmal quality problems people are describing maybe they were using low-quality torrents or something.
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby Athena » Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:15 pm

Cyrix wrote:I see none of your AVI synth guides taught you how to recognize a joke.


It's a well known fact I have no sense of humor about community standards.

It was one of the first animes I bought, before I knew how to recognize a bootleg. The quality of the packaging is so incredibly high I would never have guessed that FX is a bootlegging company. Seriously, my bootleg Cowboy Bebop has better packaging than my official anime DVDs, even the goddamned Evangelion platinum collection I paid $76 for. I haven't bought a bootleg since I learned how to recognize them in 2006.


Irrelevant. In 1998 I purchased a few SonMay CDs before I knew they were bootlegs. When I found out, I replaced them by buying original copies. I certainly didn't parade around the fact I knew they were bootlegs and used them anyway.

Notwithstanding, I sure see a lot of people here talk about editing off of torrents, bootlegs, and even files ripped off of Youtube.


Which they are wrong to do, and when I see such discussion, seriously taken, I comment on it. I'm not "picking" on you.

Cyrix wrote:Also I had assumed with all these abysmal quality problems people are describing maybe they were using low-quality torrents or something.


You assumed incorrectly. The vast majority of anime DVDs need some kind of filtering. Even some BDs are not without flaws (if they're not just horrible upscales, which happens more often than you'd think it would). You can't just say, "Oh, it's progressive, that's that" unless the footage really is very clean. Such DVDs do exist, Aoi Hana as an example, but they have been produced very recently (within the last year) and are often painstaking remasters of older anime (Utena's remasters as an example). Your Elfen Lied example is the norm: it has issues, even if it is progressive. They must be dealt with.
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby gotenks794 » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:25 pm

What's UTVideo? :sweat:
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby Cyrix » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:32 pm

Unsharp mask is a community standard?
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby Athena » Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:20 pm

Cyrix wrote:Unsharp mask is a community standard?


Pre-processing is a community standard. Don't be so intentionally obtuse.
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby mirkosp » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:01 am

gotenks794 wrote:What's UTVideo? :sweat:

A lossless codec that compresses almost like lagarith but is 10x faster than it and 3 or 4x faster than Huffyuv when it comes to decoding (these are on my pc, apparently the speed improvements differ for everyone, but are definitely there), hence why it's so amazing for editing. It is faster than them in encoding too, however not with the same speed difference. Take a look at a comparison: http://saber.kawaii-shoujo.net/Various/lossless.temp.v2-nox264.txt
PS: It will be shipping with the next amvapp, maybe as the only lossless codec, and definitely recommended in the avtech. :D
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby Cyrix » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:06 am

Kionon wrote:
Cyrix wrote:Unsharp mask is a community standard?


Pre-processing is a community standard. Don't be so intentionally obtuse.


I thought it was acute joke but I guess you couldn't decode it
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby gotenks794 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:48 pm

Cyrix wrote:
Kionon wrote:
Cyrix wrote:Unsharp mask is a community standard?


Pre-processing is a community standard. Don't be so intentionally obtuse.


I thought it was acute joke but I guess you couldn't decode it


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And thanks for the info, Mirk, sounds pretty neat. Now if only there was a mac port...
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Re: I 'm new at this TT_TT

Postby Mister Hatt » Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:59 am

$76 on a DVD? Cute, let me know when you blow $2800 on the Legend of Galactic Heroes blurays, $1200 on Tytania, $1500 on Cobra, and $250 on Galaxy Express 999 just to do a 3 minute scifi video. Not that I'm suggesting you should though. My point is that waving around the fact that you bought something legitimately or pirated it bears no relevance to this thread and all you've done is perpetuate bad advice. Several people in this thread are better encoders than you. Just because you're lazy doesn't mean that you should push your flawed techniques onto others, especially when they are explicitly asking how to do things the CORRECT way. You're starting to develop the requtation of lazy and ignorant, so ammend that for your own sake.

Incidentally if anyone HAS got any of those blurays, do let me know as I may require your services orz. If this breaks any forum rules, then wwww.

NB: Yes, that final sentence is a quote from Kunio, because he always knows how to dish out Japanese touchdowns.
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