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Blu-Ray Players and AMVs

Postby JudgeHolden » Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:57 pm

So, I bought this higher end Blu-Ray player http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/sto ... 1666077660 , and I have just used it to playback a bunch of AMVs from a USB driver. Needless to say, they look amazing on my HDTV (even better than they looked on my comp).

However, here is the issue ... some mp4s only playback the audio. :cry:

These only play audio:





These look and play freaking amazing:





So, what gives?
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Re: Blu-Ray Players and AMVs

Postby NeoQuixotic » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:59 am

They probably don't fall within the profile of x264 that the player can handle. Or it might also be some particular setting used when encoding. I'll put the MediaInfo for each video so someone a little bit more in the know how of x264 can chime in. I know frequently that very high profiles like High @ 5.X, large amounts of reference frames, and large amounts of b frames usually aren't supported with most hardware decoders. It's because of this mess that I prefer to use a HTPC with a decent CPU to take care of the playback to avoid these issues, along with proper subtitle rendering.

Bad Videos
I Ain't Marryin' No Friggin' Horse!!!
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Complete name : D:\Dan\My Videos\I Ain't Marryin' No Friggin' Horse!!! - ZaCloud.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom
File size : 54.1 MiB
Duration : 3mn 27s
Overall bit rate : 2 190 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2008-12-15 05:20:51
Tagged date : UTC 2008-12-15 05:20:51

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 16 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 3mn 27s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 060 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 5 974 Kbps
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 400 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.244
Stream size : 50.8 MiB (94%)
Writing library : x264 core 58 svn-736
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=16 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / brdo=1 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=1 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=16 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / bime=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=crf / crf=20.0 / rceq='blurCplx^(1-qComp)' / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30
Encoded date : UTC 2008-12-15 05:20:51
Tagged date : UTC 2008-12-15 05:20:55

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 4
Format profile : LC
Format settings, SBR : No
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 3mn 27s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 127 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 154 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Stream size : 3.14 MiB (6%)
Encoded date : UTC 2008-12-15 05:20:55
Tagged date : UTC 2008-12-15 05:20:55

Out of Control
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Complete name : D:\Dan\My Videos\Out of Control - Kain-x-spirits.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom
File size : 84.8 MiB
Duration : 3mn 0s
Overall bit rate : 3 947 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2010-04-19 03:10:29
Tagged date : UTC 2010-04-19 03:10:29

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 16 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 3mn 0s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 3 635 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 12.1 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.165
Stream size : 78.1 MiB (92%)
Writing library : x264 core 93 r1538 bd72d46
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=16 / deblock=1:1:1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=10 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.40:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=24 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=10 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / wpredp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=60 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=2:1.00
Encoded date : UTC 2010-04-19 03:10:29
Tagged date : UTC 2010-04-19 03:10:36

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 4
Format profile : LC
Format settings, SBR : No
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 3mn 0s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 310 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 421 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Stream size : 6.66 MiB (8%)
Encoded date : UTC 2010-04-19 03:10:35
Tagged date : UTC 2010-04-19 03:10:36


Good Videos
RAH HEY!
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Complete name : D:\Dan\My Videos\RAH HEY! - Ileia.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom
File size : 53.8 MiB
Duration : 3mn 25s
Overall bit rate : 2 194 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2010-08-05 12:42:04
Tagged date : UTC 2010-08-05 12:42:04

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L3.2
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 12 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 3mn 25s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 000 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 6 668 Kbps
Width : 848 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 24.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.205
Stream size : 49.0 MiB (91%)
Writing library : x264 core 67 r1153 7b6ce6a
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=12 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy_rd=0.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=5 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / bitrate=2000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date : UTC 2010-08-05 12:42:04
Tagged date : UTC 2010-08-05 12:42:05

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 4
Format profile : LC
Format settings, SBR : No
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 3mn 25s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 241 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Stream size : 4.70 MiB (9%)
Encoded date : UTC 2010-08-05 12:42:05
Tagged date : UTC 2010-08-05 12:42:05

Stupid Couple
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Complete name : D:\Dan\My Videos\Stupid Couple - jubjub2.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom
File size : 34.2 MiB
Duration : 3mn 17s
Overall bit rate : 1 451 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2010-05-10 12:59:26
Tagged date : UTC 2010-05-10 12:59:26

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 16 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 3mn 17s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1 129 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 2 806 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 544 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.096
Stream size : 26.6 MiB (78%)
Writing library : x264 core 80 r1373 4322f63
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=16 / deblock=1:1:1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.4:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=5 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / wpredp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc_lookahead=60 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:0.60
Encoded date : UTC 2010-05-10 12:59:26
Tagged date : UTC 2010-05-10 12:59:27

Audio
ID : 2
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 3
Mode : Joint stereo
Codec ID : 6B
Duration : 3mn 17s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 320 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 330 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 7.55 MiB (22%)
Writing library : LAME3.90.3
Encoded date : UTC 2010-05-10 12:59:27
Tagged date : UTC 2010-05-10 12:59:27


The bad videos seem to fall into the too high of the settings I mentioned. I didn't find any specs of the files that the player can support on the site or in the manual. Most manufactures don't have this detailed information sadly. I'd either hook up a decent machine via HDMI or re-encode offending videos that you want to throw on a USB flash drive.
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Re: Blu-Ray Players and AMVs

Postby Qyot27 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:55 am

From what I've read over thus far, usually the cutoff is High@4.1, as I think that's what Blu-ray itself uses. So basically, don't exceed Blu-ray specs for the files and you should be fine. A more sure-fire solution would be to author them into a BD5/BD9 or an AVCHD disc, which should tell you which ones are compatible (and thus copied over relatively untouched) and which aren't, as well as not relying on one player's finicky specs to determine whether they'll be playable or not.
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Re: Blu-Ray Players and AMVs

Postby mirkosp » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:27 am

Basically, what Qyot said: vids need to be level 4.1 at most with BD players (although some can play higher levels just fine). One thing to note is that just setting --level 4.1 will NOT suffice on its own, as you have to meet the vbv-bufsize and vbv-maxrate limits, as well as you can't use more refs than the ones the level allows for the desired resolution/framerate. Considering that level 4.1 can do 720p60 and 1080p24 just fine (it can do up to 720p68.3 with 9 refs and 1080p30.1 with 4 refs, actually), I doubt it really is an issue for AMVs, but one never knows.
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