The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Honou_Miko » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:36 pm

VicBond007 wrote:If anyone is thinking of contacting the Programming department, i would use the link on the website first, and then follow-up with a direct e-mail if you're ignored (which is just plain RUDE if that happens). it's also difficult to voice your concerns when you don't know ALL the details. It's a lot to discuss, and not all of it should be public. So, you're welcome to voice your concerns that your efforts are being neglected but as far as essay writing, I don't think the general public is in any position to offer suggestions, only voice concerns over what's been proposed.


Roger that. At the very least, it needs to be stressed how INCREDIBLY FREAKING IMPORTANT SYNC IS. Why the hell do we do what we do? These aren't frigging (pseudo)yaoi fanart slideshows here. We don't do frame-by-frame work for nothing. We need a room where sync can be guaranteed. Even if we lose everything else, this is the essence of what we do, and we cannot lose it. Especially not for ~commercial time.~ (Reminds me of when the Charlie Brown Christmas Special cut the Lucy/Schroeder scene for COMMERCIAL time. For big, bright, shiny aluminum Christmas trees.)

TnAdct1 wrote:Besides, there's a 1000 characters when you write a message to programming from the web site, so essay writing is out of the question.


Oh GOD thank you for pointing this out before I started writing. But hey, I will do what I can even with very little to work with...

VicBond007 wrote:If I were "this person" I would assume that "this person" has scored high enough to make the final contest. :uhoh:


:shock:

This person was, in ALL honesty, not intending to pry or get any ahead-of-time hints, but shall assume this with great happiness.

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oh wait those are banned now lol.

Really, Vic, thank you for all the hard work you've done. We'll all keep our fingers crossed!!
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby VicBond007 » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:58 pm

I am only ASSUMING that sync will be an issue because dealing with logistics in the past has been an uphill battle, and I am HIGHLY doubtful that they want to re-wire Main Events. The only room that this is guaranteed is Video 1. I'll take a guarantee over a "maybe" when it comes to live presentations. I would be a little more miffed that the current schedule, no matter how we shuffle around inside our "block" leaves us no time for an awards ceremony before Sunday ._.

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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Honou_Miko » Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:13 pm

VicBond007 wrote:I am only ASSUMING that sync will be an issue because dealing with logistics in the past has been an uphill battle, and I am HIGHLY doubtful that they want to re-wire Main Events. The only room that this is guaranteed is Video 1. I'll take a guarantee over a "maybe" when it comes to live presentations. I would be a little more miffed that the current schedule, no matter how we shuffle around inside our "block" leaves us no time for an awards ceremony before Sunday ._.


Hrrrrm, I'm wondering if I'm in a position to voice concerns about that; I missed Iron Editor and the awards ceremony last year, I believe due to flat-out exhaustion. :oops: Well, if I only have 1000 characters, I can't get into much detail other than the fact that the event draws in a huge amount of people and that it would be risking a lot of fans who won't get to see what they've known and loved for the past several years, and who would have been looking forward to it.

VicBond007 wrote:Yes, Vuvuselas are banninated, and I think bagpipes too...


"Absolutely no vuvuzelas or similar loud noisemakers are permitted within Otakon."

My friend had planned on bringing his tuba to Club Otaku, but he decided against going ($65 was too much since he'd only be interested in the video games). Now THAT would have been quite the case; a tuba confiscation. :rofl:
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Salathe » Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:22 pm

VicBond007 wrote:If I were "this person" I would assume that "this person" has scored high enough to make the final contest. :uhoh:


Shouldn't that have been a PM? Or were you going to indulge in fairness and tell everyone? =D
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby SailorDeath » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:41 pm

Honou_Miko wrote:
VicBond007 wrote:Yes, Vuvuselas are banninated, and I think bagpipes too...

"Absolutely no vuvuzelas or similar loud noisemakers are permitted within Otakon."
My friend had planned on bringing his tuba to Club Otaku, but he decided against going ($65 was too much since he'd only be interested in the video games). Now THAT would have been quite the case; a tuba confiscation. :rofl:



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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Junipertay » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:59 pm

Honou_Miko wrote:Really, Vic, thank you for all the hard work you've done. We'll all keep our fingers crossed!!


x2

Thanks so much for everything you do Vic. Regardless of how it turns out, we all appreciate it. :up:
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby chui101 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:27 am

Email sent. That 1000 character limit really blows. I was thinking about making a greasemonkey script since I'm betting the limit is only there in the javascript, but decided it wasnt worth the effort...

I am writing about the proposed scheduling of AMV events. I have heard that the needs of AMVs and other fan-created content have been pushed aside for screenings by corporate sponsors. As an AMV editor, I find it reprehensible that Otakorp's priorities are this misguided. Editing AMVs is a very involved process that requires technical finesse on both the editing and presenting end, and Mr Boruta is one of the best at presenting AMV contests. He makes sure that our creations are shown accurately and reliably - something DSL has been remiss at. Moreover, the proposed changes to the programming will make it impossible for the staff to announce winners during the convention. I urge you to reconsider the direction of your scheduling, to consider the needs of the AMV community at one of the largest and most prestigious AMV contests in the world, and to remember that Otakon is above all a convention for individuals like me who love Japanese culture.


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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby moonbunnychan » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:41 am

I kinda wonder though if a bunch of people writing emails though will have the opposite effect to just piss higher ups off...hmmm...

But ya, it's kind of important to know who won the contest, I mean that's just common sense. Especially since Otakon is like THE Amv Contest.

But I guess so much for the for fans by fans mentality. (Although admittedly if one of the new things is the Haruhi movie I'd squeal with joy).

And I know it's not an issue for this year, but please god don't ever put the awards during the masquerade. I mean, I know it's a popular event and all but not everybody likes it. I certainly don't, and really wouldn't want to sit through hours of something I don't have any interest in. At least with Iron Editor it's relevant to people that like AMVs, so that makes sense.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby VicBond007 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:48 am

here's the latest from Ree, head of the video dept.

I will try to find some space for AMV overflow...but here is the problem... we just do not have space. We lost two video rooms this year and we are struggling to put everything the companies want to do. I had to get rid of the kids programing and that is a huge blow for the con. I will try and find space in video room 2 for you, if I can finagle things, but the real bulk of the problem is that if AMV overflow is on the server...that makes life a lot more difficult for everyone. The server is a great thing for the contest, but when you put everything on it, honestly it makes doing simple things like moving rooms and switching up difficult. If you can provide any sort of dvd for overflow it may be a stronger possibility. I know there are arguments that the entrants are amateurs who do not know how to code things with HQ sound and quality, but it used to be those people were weeded out of the contests to begin with. I understand that AMVs is very important and vital to the con. But the painful truth is that AMV overflow is becoming harder to accommodate for with the loss of rooms and the complication of the server. I can only promise that I will try my best to wiggle space for it... Maybe i can put it in 1/2 - 1 hr blocks.. I will do what I can, but please understand if I cannot do it. It isn't because I don't want to. It is because I have no room to do so.


So 2 things. 1, Industry > Fans. 2, non-finalists should be weeded out so that they're not a burden. Oh and 3, ya'll are amateurs ;) Please don't go quoting this e-mail. I probably shouldn't be sharing (though the e-mail came from her hotmail account and thus isn't accompanied by the usual "property of Otakon, for private use only" disclosure) but you folks should know where you stand in Otakorp's eyes. This is the behind closed doors stuff that they probably don't want the "amateurs" hearing about.

PS: There's a fuckton of "room". They offered us a huge block of time in main events, the same time that could be used by us in Video 1.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Honou_Miko » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:59 am

SailorDeath wrote:
Honou_Miko wrote:
VicBond007 wrote:Yes, Vuvuselas are banninated, and I think bagpipes too...

"Absolutely no vuvuzelas or similar loud noisemakers are permitted within Otakon."
My friend had planned on bringing his tuba to Club Otaku, but he decided against going ($65 was too much since he'd only be interested in the video games). Now THAT would have been quite the case; a tuba confiscation. :rofl:



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Hurrrr, it better not be the same as one of the clips I submitted to AMV Hell. :ying:

moonbunnychan wrote:I kinda wonder though if a bunch of people writing emails though will have the opposite effect to just piss higher ups off...hmmm...


It depends on how it's put. It is in their best interest to acknowledge that fans are upset about this... heh, I was telling my mother about the situation and she was like "boycott them next year!!" I wouldn't go that far, but you know, some people may just think "wow it's going downhill" and not go anymore. :/ If I write this message, I'm putting the stress on giving the fans what they've known and loved for years, and that the AMV contest has such a high attendance rate; it would be upsetting many people to drop the conclusion of such an event. It's not even a question of trying some new changes out - if they can't announce the winners, it's like cutting out the end of a lot of people's favorite show. And you do NOT want to do that to fans. :wink:
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby dragontamer5788 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:59 am

Hmm... well...

I have heard that the needs of AMVs and other fan-created content have been pushed aside for screenings by corporate sponsors. As an AMV editor, I find it reprehensible that Otakorp's priorities are this misguided.


To have such an assertion so quickly in your email is probably a bad thing... and it is even worse that this is forms the basis of your email. Here's my reaction: "Well... it isn't true", and then I'd click delete. It doesn't matter if it were true or not... no one would conciously side with a "corporation" and say "**** the fans!!". I am concerned too, which is why I'm bringing this up. I don't think a few dozen of emails like these would really change anything. An email like that doesn't play to our strengths.

Lets first analyze who we are. We are NOT an Otakon insider. We are NOT Otakon staff. The last thing we want to do is assume we understand the priorities to Otakon. This also means that we cannot comment on an Otakon that has yet to happen. This is simply not our strongpoint. As an (almost) anonymous online submitter, we might be seen as a /b/tard, a troll, or whatever. We shouldn't risk sounding like that.

I'm not saying that I know how to voice my own concerns. But from my view at least... an email like that would be easy for me (personally) to ignore.

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That said, we should wait for the schedule to be released officially before we complain about the placement of the AMV Contest. People aren't idiots: if a bunch of self-proclaimed AMV editors suddenly sent in emails to the Chair, that will only put VicBond07 in a worse political position. (oh... Vic was really pushing for this AMV Overflow thingy, and now he's sicked a bunch of fans on me. Etc. etc. At least, thats what it will look like)

Its too early to jump the gun on this. We shouldn't be doing any actions based on insider information, especially if we want to be heard. We should wait for something official to be released on the Website that we would legitimately be concerned about. That would be the best time for our voices to be heard. In the best case, we'd be able to salvage this year's AMV Overflow.

If we jump the gun now, we'll lose that opportunity.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby VicBond007 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:08 am

moonbunnychan wrote:I kinda wonder though if a bunch of people writing emails though will have the opposite effect to just piss higher ups off...hmmm...

But ya, it's kind of important to know who won the contest, I mean that's just common sense. Especially since Otakon is like THE Amv Contest.

But I guess so much for the for fans by fans mentality. (Although admittedly if one of the new things is the Haruhi movie I'd squeal with joy).

And I know it's not an issue for this year, but please god don't ever put the awards during the masquerade. I mean, I know it's a popular event and all but not everybody likes it. I certainly don't, and really wouldn't want to sit through hours of something I don't have any interest in. At least with Iron Editor it's relevant to people that like AMVs, so that makes sense.


Meredith is pretty upset at the fact that I'm sharing scheduling information that concerns content providers, with...the content providers. She also can't seem to figure out that there's a link on the website to contact the programming department if you have a concern...

Despite all the discussion at just about every meeting over drawing up a disciplinary plan, Otakorp still doesn't have one, which means that if I'm asked to step down (and it might come to that at this point) they don't actually need legitimate grounds to do so, especially since I'm a volunteer. Not sure what I'd do at that point :uhoh:

As for the schedule, it is being done on the errata sheet, so I assume the deadline for that is really close to the con. dragon's very right though. You know Otakon's priorities are misguided only because I'm putting my position on the line and sharing things that concern you, with you. you can't say "this is bad because..." because the schedule's still subject to change and you're not supposed to know anything. I don't know what it will look like tomorrow, Tuesday, or the day of the con. I just know what it looks like now, and I can only infer things from the conversations that I am having with staffers.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby chui101 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:15 am

dragontamer5788 wrote:We should wait for something official to be released on the Website that we would legitimately be concerned about. That would be the best time for our voices to be heard. In the best case, we'd be able to salvage this year's AMV Overflow.


With the amount of updating Otakorp does to the official site, by the time anything official is announced, it'll be too late. Pretty much the next thing they're going to put up is going to be the con schedule.

Did I exaggerate things a bit? Probably. But they do need to get the message that Otakon wouldn't be where it is without us, and that it should remain a con that's by the fans, for the fans.

VicBond007 wrote:Despite all the discussion at just about every meeting over drawing up a disciplinary plan, Otakorp still doesn't have one, which means that if I'm asked to step down (and it might come to that at this point) they don't actually need legitimate grounds to do so, especially since I'm a volunteer. Not sure what I'd do at that point :uhoh:


Well, we can just turn AUSA into the AMV event to be at. :D
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby VicBond007 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:20 am

chui101 wrote:Well, we can just turn AUSA into the AMV event to be at. :D


I thought it already was! ;)

I think AUSA is a pretty cool guy. eh has a dedicated AMV room and doesn't afraid of anything.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Honou_Miko » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:31 am

sorry for late post, got distracted ha

dragontamer5788 wrote:That said, we should wait for the schedule to be released officially before we complain about the placement of the AMV Contest. People aren't idiots: if a bunch of self-proclaimed AMV editors suddenly sent in emails to the Chair, that will only put VicBond07 in a worse political position. (oh... Vic was really pushing for this AMV Overflow thingy, and now he's sicked a bunch of fans on me. Etc. etc. At least, thats what it will look like)

Its too early to jump the gun on this. We shouldn't be doing any actions based on insider information, especially if we want to be heard. We should wait for something official to be released on the Website that we would legitimately be concerned about. That would be the best time for our voices to be heard. In the best case, we'd be able to salvage this year's AMV Overflow.

If we jump the gun now, we'll lose that opportunity.


...yes. I agree. I want to help so much but this is exactly why I've been hesitant. This will work better, probably, as long as this schedule isn't supposed to be completely final when it is posted.

It should be made clear after the schedule is posted that it would allow no time for voting. Like, this should be made clear to non-editor fans (Otakon boards?). Get the laypeople pissed off too, and I think that will be more effective.

It is going to be very hard to pull for overflow, based on the way they're looking at it. :/ Knowing the little hint I've been given, I'm terrified of sounding selfish... but my line of work (opera singing) is essentially all competition, and I'm used to getting the short end of the stick the majority of the time because that's the nature of it. I would absolutely love to be able to keep the overflow, but if they're looking at this from a competition standpoint, they're going to be hard to convince that those that didn't make the "cut" are worth taking up time. -_- It sucks majorly, I know, but such is competition in most settings. People just have no patience, ever. :down:


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VicBond007 wrote:I think AUSA is a pretty cool guy. eh has a dedicated AMV room and doesn't afraid of anything.

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