How do you go about selecting your clips?

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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby NS » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:53 am

I go from memory. I'm very thankful for this since it saves a lot of time clipping and whatnot, but For any show that I've watched.. I can know if there is a scene or type of scene that I want, I don't always know which episode exactly, but this kind of works to my advantage, because I'll be searching for one clip I know exists and either find a better clip for the spot or stuff for parts later on in the timeline.
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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby post-it » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:23 am

Masking is part of everything. From Sounds to the Videos themselves; you can do sooo much with it :P

1) When following a song,
. a) I make the character the focus and ignore the backgrounds changing (that can always be masked.)
. b) I look to see how much background will need to be rebuilt after the masking.
. c) the only other problem is, "how many people can be added & when -- before it becomes distracting.

2) When following an Idea ( no music has been selected )
. "b" then "c" with Masking and finally "a"

I've found that Drawing your own characters and/or animating "bone structure with clips" ( looking like
Blues Clues reconstructions of your characters ) quite often 'really doesn't work!!! it just looks tacky :down:

. . There is one more type of design which is rarely used at this organization; the 3rd Party Perspective.
To understand this concept, you'll need to follow someone to somewhere, and see things through "there eyes."
Example .. here's a set-up of such a concept:
1) find a video clip with someone male/female/dog/cat/moose quietly stocking something ( cutting across the screen to its middle. )
. a) Change the background to a moving/scrolling growth if Bamboo/Sugar-Cane stocks.
. b) there is a 45° off-set to a view of what is hidden, "the character can see it, you can't"
2) Opening theme to "Record of Lodoss War" song = Kiseki No Umi (Sea of Miracles) 'starts with its drums.
. a) you are now seeing things through the hunters-eyes'
. b) 'voices start their chants join the drums' as the scene now begins to display -- what was happening "as they saw it".
3) the music starts it "BOOM" 'chabi-yaak! "BOOM" 'chabi-yaak! .. with whatever they are watching 8-)
The 3rd Party Perspectice can be a lot of fun to toy with but, it does require some time to make the set-up work properly.

as you can guess, this is the one I like to work with the most :asd: :pizza: :beer:
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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby Castor Troy » Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:41 pm

EvaFan wrote:Since I edit with avs files, all my source is at my fingertips.


This.

I remember when I worked with huffy files and realizing I didn't make a huffy of an important scene I needed. :x
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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby JaddziaDax » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:33 pm

I start out with the clips I have already planned in my head, then I do what Prodigi and Ileia said - put random clips in random places until I find what fits... Sometimes I storyboard (text) but only if I get an idea when I'm away from the computer, or setting up/converting clips and I don't want to forget my ideas.
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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby Megamom » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:18 pm

Castor Troy wrote:I follow my heart.


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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby ngsilver » Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:58 am

I guess I still do some kind of clipping. Though I do it in premier. I just pull in the full episodes/movies into premier and I work with 5 timelines.
1 timeline I use to put the full episodes in and begin skimming and cutting clips from.
1 timeline I use to store my clips in a sequential manner according to when I clipped them which generally is chonological.
1 timeline I use to store my betas. I just copy the video timeline and cut up a beta from there.
1 timeline as my final video. this is where I do all of my edits.
1 timeline is my credits/bumper. When I want to render a credited version I just pull this timeline at the end of the video timeline and render.

I usually start the video by clipping certain scenes that I know I want. I then comb the source while listening to the song to find clips that I think I might need. If there is a story I'm telling I'll try to keep the clips in order for the story, if there is no real story and it's mood or fun I'm going for I just pull the clips as I see them. Finally, when I have enough clips to work with I start somewhere in the song where I feel a strong need to work on (usually the beginning or ending) and just cut/paste clips from the clipping timeline to the final timeline and see what works or how the flow feels. If I run out of clips or I feel the clips I have don't work I then go searching through the source for more clips and pull them in as I find them.

Doing it this way at least I can tell when I've already viewed an episode or part of the source and if I've already pulled clips from certain parts since they'll be cut form the source already.
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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby Phantasmagoriat » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:03 am

-Load the entire movie/episode/DVD into Magix as a low-quality-but-fast mjpeg.avi
-run automatic scene recognition for about an hour
-pick out the scenes that catch my eye and drag them into the 'Takes' directory [a pool of clips]
-drag everything from the Takes directory back onto the timeline so my chosen clips are all lined up back-to-back
-usually about 1/4 remains ['usable' footage]; I put the rest into a separate directory just in case I need it
-I also keep a directory that holds every scene chronologically for reference
-depending on what I want to do, I may look for common trends in the clips and categorize them into separate folders
-Once I'm satisfied, I begin editing by picking/choosing from my various pools of clips
-I finish by doing Bait-and-Switch with slow-but-high-quality makeAVIS.avi files when rendering the AMV.

-it might be worth noting that before I even touch the video, I slice-up the audio into it's major segments to see the natural breaks

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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby gotegenks » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:12 pm

Whenever i watch an anime, i open up a notepad and type in which episode is which, and the main event in that episode, so by the end of it i have an episode guide.
Whenever i'm editing, and i have to look for a clip, i'll look, but when i find it, i write it down in the episode guide.
this makes things go faster from time to time but i don't always need it.
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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby CodeZTM » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:20 pm

Wikipedia is a great ally, as it allows me to remember episodes in greater detail. With that in mind:

1) I open up the timeline and pick my song out. From there, I listen to it and visualize the anime I have in mind, seeing which lyrical sections match up with actual anime scenes [although I have a bad habit of inventing eventsi n anime that didn't actually happen].
2) Open up the anime I already have scriped for each episode and V-Dub the clips that I have in mind.
3) Edit the section of song until perfection.
4) Repeat

Really, this has worked pretty well for me over the years, and has been pretty faithful. Especially in IC's when I have the footage already ready, I can just ZIP through it real quick.
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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby Enigma » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:28 pm

Ok, Actually srs this time

1.Save full episode/make fakeavi
2.Throw it in editing software
3.Look for cool shit
4.make cool shit happen
5.???????
6.finished.
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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby Koopiskeva » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:27 pm

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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby ExSphere » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:06 pm

If the clip was in a nostromo video, I don't use it.
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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby Cannonaire » Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:37 pm

I'm fairly new, but I've come up with a system that works pretty well for me. From dvd source, I rip all the footage into episodes. I then make a default avisynth script for an episode I know well and clean up all the footage, IVTC, etc. When that's done, I comment out all the slow cleanup lines and use the Trim() command to make script "clips". As far as finding the clips I want to use, I generally have a really good idea for a few or a lot of scenes in the video which I immediately add to my Vegas timeline (but don't tweak to perfection yet) and I watch the series if it's not too long and pick out scenes as I need them. I can remember the episode from which the clips are from.
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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby gotegenks » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:47 am

ExSphere wrote:If the anime was in a nostromo video, I don't use it.

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Re: How do you go about selecting your clips?

Postby Bm-atticus » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:18 pm

Well, for me one of the big things I do is whenever I buy an anime Dvd, I rip it and store it onto an external hard drive and save it as an MOV, just in case. And then, some time in the future, if the mood strikes or an AMV contest is coming up, I have all the footage there waiting.

As far as actually cutting down clips and picking the right one, I try to stick with one anime per AMV to save my brain. Also, I pick an anime I know pretty well.

Of course, it helps if you actually have an idea of how you want the video to go. I agree that sometimes certain lyrics can narrow down clips, along with the length of the song. But I like to look at it like if I can't make the clip fit in there, maybe it wasn't supposed to be there in the first place.

After I have the footage and ideas, I import all of the episode I know I will use and those I think I might use into my editing program and start whiddling down the footage I'm not going to use and placing clips on the time line and cutting them down even further until I'm happy.

So yeah... that was my 2 cents.
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