Definition of Anime for AMVs - Feedback

[Ileia]

A complete democracy, no, but you cannot deny that this website has many democratic elements. (duh, polls, the feedback forum would be useless otherwise). Which is all, if I'm reading it right, Bashar was getting at. And you're being taken wrong because you jumped on that immediately and rather venomously, I might add.

[Nya-chan Production]

I apologize once again, I just stated something that it reminded me of, and this thing was so short that it could have been taken wrong, which is my fault :<

[gotegenks]

If I had my druthers

[Kionon]

If I had my druthers

Meaning

If I had my preference.

Origin

This is an American phrase and not used widely elsewhere. People elsewhere in the world might want to know what druthers are, as the phrase conveys otherwise. Druthers is a shortening of 'would rathers'. The phrase originated in the late 19th century and is first cited in the January 1870 edition of Overland monthly and Out West magazine, in a story called Centrepole Bill, by George F. Emery:

"If I was a youngster, I 'drather set up in any perfession but a circus-driver, but a man can't always have his 'drathers."

Druthers, as opposed to its earlier variant drathers, is traced back to 1876 in Dialect Notes:

"Bein's I caint have my druthers an' set still, I cal'late I'd better pearten up an' go 'long."

[mirkosp]

The second.

I don't advocate the use of everything. If I had my druthers, I would allow non-Japanese manga-ka and animators where if you didn't know any better, you would assume that the person was a Japanese artist.

Rivkah, Tavi, Jan Scott Frazier, Christopher Butler all come to mind...

And then should we kick Japanese artist for having a style that you would have considered western? Actually, what constitutes the "Japanese" style? Anime and manga do vary in their styles and all, you can't quite easily pinpoint a definition that sets them apart from western animation. Generally detail over animation smoothness is the key, but there have been anime like "Mainichi Kaa-san" and "Uchi no 3 Shimai" which aren't exactly full of detail... and then there are "Stitch!" and sequels which are anime versions of American shows, so they retain style and all, but are really considered anime.

[Kionon]

When in doubt, err on the side of inclusion. Afterall, I don't think Teknokreet is very "anime-like" but it's anime, apparently. Animatrix is considered anime, and I would only consider maybe one of the stories to be "anime-like." So I grasp the problem, and my solution is to be inclusive when there is serious debate.

Most western animation does NOT fall under the "serious debate" label.

[JaddziaDax]

I wouldn't mind being able to list my Avatar: The Last Airbender videos here >.>
However I'm not going to wank too hard that I can't because I have my own site...

[CodeZTM]

When in doubt, err on the side of inclusion. Afterall, I don't think Teknokreet is very "anime-like" but it's anime, apparently. Animatrix is considered anime, and I would only consider maybe one of the stories to be "anime-like." So I grasp the problem, and my solution is to be inclusive when there is serious debate.

Most western animation does NOT fall under the "serious debate" label.

YES GOD YES.

Oh, and because I'd like to offer something more constructive than something you'd hear in a porn movie...

The site is called a-m-v.org. The goal is to catalog every AMV ever made. But what exactly is an AMV? Youtube seems to think that AMV's can include Asian inspired animations. The org seems to think that only japan-made anime is an AMV. Cons seem to be split on the issue.

I like what Kionon has to say though. What is the harm in allowing things like Avatar: The Last Airbender in? I mean, anime has a wide variety of weird shit and many different artistic styles. I think the org members should be capable of distinguishing things that are "anime like" and things that are not.

But because we need a rule like thing...

Animated commercial media (TV, OVAs & Movies)

In order for a video source to be confirmed as anime at this site, the following must hold true:
• Titles must be under the control of a Japanese company and be animated using traditional cell painting, CGI, or a combination of the two
• Titles must have premiered in Japan prior to being shown elsewhere
Examples: Cowboy Bebop, Mobile Suit Gundam, The Last Exile
• Titles that are derivatives of a Japanese anime (that meet the above criteria) but may have been reworked for the North American Market. These must use the original animation and/or characters and story.
Examples: Robotech, Battle of the Planets
* Titles that are derivatives of a Japanese styled art, which originated in a different market than Japan, but borrows from the Japanese style of animation. Examples: Avatar the Last Airbender, Teen Titans, Code Lyoko

All other animated Titles or non-animated Japanese titles shall be considered non-anime (any live action feature regardless of origin, animated features from any other country that lack the anime styled distinction, etc). Animated features that are produced outside of Japan even though the a Japanese company may be doing the animation (like Cyber-Six that is produced by Canada & France, but animated in Japan) will not be considered anime unless it meets the above listed criteria.
Examples: Spiderman, Thunderbirds, Simpsons, etc

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[mirkosp]

The key problem is that Japanese style is a VERY VERY WIDE thing. There is no definition that can properly can fit it all, BESM is in no way a proper definition, studio 4°c works often experiment a lot with drawing and animation style, then you have shows like bakemonogatari which calling animation is almost an euphemism since it's mostly static images and text, and you also have crazy mixes of stylised live action with animation like you can see in shows such as tatami galaxy or trapeze. We want to make the definition clearer, not blurrier, here.

[CodeZTM]

Ok, then I'll leave it up to the professionals to determine all this. :O

/dancespins away