Anime Naming Convention

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How should anime titles be represented on the site?

Japanese Only
1
1%
English Only
3
4%
Japanese Primary (English Secondary)
20
29%
English Primary (Japanese Secondary)
45
65%
 
Total votes : 69

Anime Naming Convention

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:14 pm

Hi Everyone,

As we are looking at possibly editing / revising the definition of Anime, and as naming conventions were brought up, I have made this poll to get a feel of what forum users here feel it should be. When voting, please do not just pick your personal preference, but what you think will be the most functional for this site.

I would also like to point out that this poll is to give us some feedback on the subject and does not guarantee whatever method is picked the most will be used as there are a number of other considerations that we will look at which include: ease of confirming, the target audience the site is geared to, opinions of Mods and Admins as well as practicality/difficulty in converting over to a new system of current data.

For the POLL itself:

Japanese Only - means only the Japanese title would be used (unless there is none - depending on the final definition of anime outcome)
English Only - Means the official English title (if there is none then the Japanese title would be default
Japanese Primary (English Secondary) - Preference will be given to Japanese title with official English title in brackets
English Primary (Japanese Secondary) - Preference will be given to the official English title with Japanese title in brackets

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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby NS » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:08 am

english with japanese sub just makes the most sense IMO... a lot of people know the japanese names, but I imagine more people know the english ones more. Now the first two options make no sense to me, why not offer the alternative title if able to?
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby dreamawake » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:24 am

English names make sense to me being as most of our population is American and most of these people only know the English titles anyway
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby Prodigi » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:34 am

I prefer Japanese with the English titled subbed. You're putting it's true/original name first, and can still quite clearly see the english equivalent.
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby Nya-chan Production » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:33 am

Japanese first, as lots of English are mistook or debatable, while the original one is always clear.
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby Fall_Child42 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:00 am

Can we add an option for my personal nickname?

If you say Kara no kiyokai, or Garden of sinners. I have no idea what you are talking about.

but if you say Stabby Mcgee I know precisely what series you are talking about.

anywho,
English first with japanese sub seems like it makes the most sense. I mean we all can't be Kionon.
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby Nya-chan Production » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:13 am

Actually, question more for doki or dero - would it be possible to have some default setting on this (probably by the votes Eng [Jap], it seems) and be able to switch it? That shouldn't be that hard, right?

I'd even agree to help moderating names of anime if lacking of some titles would be a problem in this. And I mean it seriously.
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby Panky » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:46 pm

Well the japanese original name with the english subs sounds the most reasonable to me. After all, it's the original title, and while english name might be easier to get (in some cases, even though you *can* pick a different name from the orig. translation) it stills sounds better to me to show first the original creation name. And anyway, you still have the english one to search or guide you through names.
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby Atvaark » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:11 pm

I want it to be clear that I voted for English primary, Japanese secondary only if Japanese is ordered by natural kana order when English titles are the same.

Otherwise, you know, people will get lost.
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby mirkosp » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:15 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:Actually, question more for doki or dero - would it be possible to have some default setting on this (probably by the votes Eng [Jap], it seems) and be able to switch it? That shouldn't be that hard, right?

I'd even agree to help moderating names of anime if lacking of some titles would be a problem in this. And I mean it seriously.


That would require a complete overhaul of how the catalogue works. As in, a fair chunk of the database would have to be rewritten/modified. The "Main [Secondary]" thing would be just stored like that as the name, it wouldn't be an automatic database detection. Of course, if doki/dero feel like modifying the catalog to reflect that, it would be awesome. Sure, it'd require a lot of effort to sift through the whole catalog to fix everything, but it is a thing we'll probably have to do regardless, considering what most of the votes seem to be.

Anyway, I personally would like a "Japanese [English]" naming convention.
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby godix » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:42 pm

When we're talking English primary, how official of an English title do you mean exactly? I can think of examples where what a show was called in English before being officially released changed. For example, I think Higurashi no Naku Koro ni was commonly given the English title 'When the Cicadas Cry' until it was officially distributed in the US under the name 'When They Cry'. So would English mean only the title given when it's officially distributed or would it include the common name fans give it before it's official?

Which brings up a second question, would the database names be changing over time? If a show is currently only in Japan and gets entered under the Japanese title, or the fandom English one, and later gets an official distribution outside Japan under a different title then what happens? Does does it keep it's original title because that's what we're used to or will people suddenly be confused as the title they know suddenly changes? Will there be some sort of notification of title changes, perhaps a sticky that's updated as needed or something? Or will the database just be updated to today's status and slowly get more and more out of date over time?

I'm inclined towards English Primary (Japanese Secondary), but if that means database entries are going to be randomly changing without notice on use, I'd be more inclined towards Japanese Primary (English Secondary) since the Japanese name won't be changing.
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby pink haze » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:22 pm

I find this slightly daunting:
Place Promised In Our Early Days, The (Beyond The Clouds) [Kumo no Mukou, Yakusoku no Basho]

But I'll prolly vote for it anyway. =_=
English is the site's official language. Also, if you're trying to find an anime quickly in an alphabetical list (w/o using ctrl+F), it's more practical for the more common title to be listed first. I think the English is the more common on this site.
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby Nya-chan Production » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:06 am

pink haze wrote:I find this slightly daunting:
Place Promised In Our Early Days, The (Beyond The Clouds) [Kumo no Mukou, Yakusoku no Basho]

But I'll prolly vote for it anyway. =_=
English is the site's official language. Also, if you're trying to find an anime quickly in an alphabetical list (w/o using ctrl+F), it's more practical for the more common title to be listed first. I think the English is the more common on this site.

The Japanese is recently more used in anime naming, though (see viewforum.php?f=33 )

mirkosp wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:Actually, question more for doki or dero - would it be possible to have some default setting on this (probably by the votes Eng [Jap], it seems) and be able to switch it? That shouldn't be that hard, right?

I'd even agree to help moderating names of anime if lacking of some titles would be a problem in this. And I mean it seriously.


That would require a complete overhaul of how the catalogue works. As in, a fair chunk of the database would have to be rewritten/modified. The "Main [Secondary]" thing would be just stored like that as the name, it wouldn't be an automatic database detection. Of course, if doki/dero feel like modifying the catalog to reflect that, it would be awesome. Sure, it'd require a lot of effort to sift through the whole catalog to fix everything, but it is a thing we'll probably have to do regardless, considering what most of the votes seem to be.

Anyway, I personally would like a "Japanese [English]" naming convention.

I don't know how the naming is managed right now, in my opinion the proposition as it stays now would need overhaul too, and doing a second column for a separate name isn't that harder. It's even more advantageous, because it allows for greater flexibility.
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby mirkosp » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:43 am

No, it's not a "second column for a separate name," we'd rather need a column with a pulldown to manage whether a name is Japanese, English, or Other, and another Pulldown for that name+language combo "main" or "alias" status, aside from the alias columns we have right now. That way based on the language and main/alias combination, the names would be properly displayed as per the users favourite settings. Right now we only have the name, and alias status. If one is alias then it's just linked to the main entry without any other specification. The overhaul that would be needed by just renaming would be different, as we'd just need to change the name of the main entries to reflect the "Title (Secondary Title)" convention, instead of reprogramming a chunk of the database and having to fix all the entries in the hope nothing screws up meanwhile (it will because the database will work differently, so the catalogue would be offline while we work, I suppose, if we go for that).
That is, if my somewhat limited knowledge of databases and SQL is actually on spot. Of course it's true that your suggestion is more flexible and would ultimately be better, but we also have to think how feasible would it be to implement at this point.
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Re: Anime Naming Convention

Postby Nya-chan Production » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:42 am

mirkosp wrote:No, it's not a "second column for a separate name," we'd rather need a column with a pulldown to manage whether a name is Japanese, English, or Other, and another Pulldown for that name+language combo "main" or "alias" status, aside from the alias columns we have right now. That way based on the language and main/alias combination, the names would be properly displayed as per the users favourite settings. Right now we only have the name, and alias status. If one is alias then it's just linked to the main entry without any other specification. The overhaul that would be needed by just renaming would be different, as we'd just need to change the name of the main entries to reflect the "Title (Secondary Title)" convention, instead of reprogramming a chunk of the database and having to fix all the entries in the hope nothing screws up meanwhile (it will because the database will work differently, so the catalogue would be offline while we work, I suppose, if we go for that).
That is, if my somewhat limited knowledge of databases and SQL is actually on spot. Of course it's true that your suggestion is more flexible and would ultimately be better, but we also have to think how feasible would it be to implement at this point.

I am talking about database mainly, though, not about mod/admin interface :/
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