AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (next stop - Nekocon)

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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:48 pm

moonbunnychan wrote:Ha ha..."shouldn't take too long" and "editing" should never be in the same sentence. I can't tell you how many times I've uttered those words to "do something real quick" or "make a quick change" and spent hours on something. It's like a curse.

Actually I have an idea to make it a touch more anime related too. I'll try and do it after work tonight.


Good point... especially considering how many times this year I've run into the "Ooops... I made that up, that footage doesn't exist" scenario. Perhaps I should have included the word 'relatively' somewhere in there :D
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby moonbunnychan » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:22 am

Has anybody done a promo thing for AMVS 5 yet?
I'm making the hypnotoad thing and thought it'd be funny to put text on it that's like "You are hungry for more Salad".
Thoughts?
(And I don't wanna steal anybody's thunder if there were already plans)

Edit:
Ok I just went ahead and did it up since time is of the essence and I'm gonna be busy the next couple of days.

http://www.susandoesstuff.com/hypnotoad.zip
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:24 am

Hahaha, very nicely done, much better idea than I put forward ^^ And you used the mentioning of it on the comp from earlier, too, awesome ^^

My thought is the eyes go on for too long and the peripherals on the screen distract from the text a bit. My suggestions would be:

Grab a section of the screen to the left/right of the info on the bottom of the webpage and freeze frame it and cover up that bottom logo so it's less distracting and clears space for the text. You could also scale up the website section and just make that the entire screen.

Have all the text fade in quicker at the same time like 'you are hungry', and let it sit there for about 2-3 seconds then fade into the AMVS5 text like you have it for another 3 seconds. That way it'll have the hypno effect not overstay its welcome and give plenty of time to read/react. Should reduce it from 12 to about 8 or 9 seconds.

If you can try it out quickly, it may help to make a slowly pulsing drop shadow under the text to assist the 'you're being hypnotized' idea, but nothing extreme. It will also draw peoples' eyes to the text with the motion assistance.

Oh yeah, and I don't think hypnotoad would ask ^^ I personally think the text should be changed to "You are hungry for more salad."

Nicely done, that's an awesome completion I think.

Now I can't wait to have my addition ready by tomorrow ^^
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby moonbunnychan » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:50 pm

Gaelstrom wrote:
Oh yeah, and I don't think hypnotoad would ask ^^ I personally think the text should be changed to "You are hungry for more salad."


That is what it says lol.
I ALMOST put in "all glory to the amv editors" but thought it would be a bit much :awesome:

Not entirely sure what you mean by the drop shadow. I probably won't get the chance to change anything before the next beta though, I have a pretty full schedule the next few days.
And besides I dunno if anybody else had already had promo plans. lol.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:48 pm

moonbunnychan wrote:That is what it says lol.
I ALMOST put in "all glory to the amv editors" but thought it would be a bit much :awesome:

Not entirely sure what you mean by the drop shadow. I probably won't get the chance to change anything before the next beta though, I have a pretty full schedule the next few days.
And besides I dunno if anybody else had already had promo plans. lol.


Oh.. you're right it does say that... that's what I get for not having much sleep. Sorry about that ^^

And don't worry about others doing a promo, if they didn't claim something, then you can assume by now that most people just aren't doing anything. Either way, they'd have had to have asked Deuce for permission.

By drop shadow I don't mean the usual type with a harder edge and off to one corner, I mean just a centered drop shadow with high opacity that has highly blurred edges so that it looks like the text is glowing, then animate it expanding and contracting over the course of a few seconds to 'pulse' it. I would have suggested a glow, but that may be a bit much, but you could try both, they should give similar results either way. I don't think that'd take too much time, it should just be something akin to a layer style in whatever software you're using. And you don't have to worry about time, you've got yours posted and it's mostly finished. It's getting into the beta at this rate, and small adjustments can be posted here for Deuce to replace the footage with quickly before the final.

Deuce, let me know when you're rendering the beta, my new one is nearly done, it just needs some more adjustments. I can get you a version for the beta if you're rendering it today, or get it to you tonight when it should be finished.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Deuce Loosely » Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:34 pm

First, in terms of a "theme" for next year (accepting submissions beginning August 2), I was thinking of moving closer to the original formula but not entirely. I'm gonna bring the max time back to 30s and take any and all submissions. From there, we'll determine at various times over the next several months which clips are most worthy to be named AMV Salad ingredients. I had an idea of calling it "AMV Salad 5: ...this smells funny." I wanna concentrate on the most LOL-worthy material we can gather, from the stale (as in references to "the game") to the most audacious "OMG too soon." If anyone has any ideas on a format to aid continuity, I'm open to suggestions.

The next beta should be ready by tomorrow. Stay tuned...

EDIT: ..."Hypnotoad" = :shock: ... :lol:
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:20 pm

All right then, Deuce, I'll have this thing done by later tonight and get it to you so you can dump it in somewhere appropriate for tomorrow's beta. If you do it sooner than that, then I'll just post it here on rapidshare again and people can critique it like that.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Deuce Loosely » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:23 pm

CurryMuttonPizza - what anime did you use for "Egg?"
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby moonbunnychan » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:19 pm

Deuce Loosely wrote:EDIT: ..."Hypnotoad" = :shock: ... :lol:



Ha ha, glad you like it.

Can't wait to see this Egg video too.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:03 am

Deuce, new vid's in your e-mail through transferbigfiles. Hope you like it.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Deuce Loosely » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:45 pm

The third beta is rendering (Main Concept AAC mp4). Ignore any visual abnormalities as they are likely due to the encode and won't be there after the mpeg2 render.

CurryMuttonPizza: I still need to know what anime was used for "Egg." If anyone else out there knows, please fill in the blank for me.

Watch for download link later today...
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Deuce Loosely » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:48 pm

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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby kireblue » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:13 pm

If you mean the clip with the hatching geico money, then the source for Egg is Tenchi Muyo.

Oh and, I love the way that the clips are now assorted.

Edit: During the credits, you listed "Kyoka" as the source that I used for my Kyoka Bunch video. Kyoka is actually just the name of the main character. The name of the anime series is Kyouran Kazoku Nikki. The anime doesn't have an official English name, but AnimeNewsNetwork says that it translates to "Crazed Family Diary". http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... hp?id=9236 Feel free to use either the Japanese or unofficial English title, but you cant even find the series via google if you just use "Kyoka".

Oh and, I find it hilarious that I check this thread every single day, but this is the first time in almost a month that I posted anything :lol:
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby moonbunnychan » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:41 pm

I'm gonna second that the new arrangement of the clips is really fantastic. It's got a really fantastic flow to it now. I didn't think it was possible to get any funnier but it has. The only one I see maybe a potential problem with is overlapping laughter between the punch at the end of the Death Note/Family Guy one and the talking at the beginning of the mowing down pedestrians one, since hearing all of the narrative is really important to that one.
I also really like the new sound on the test pattern a whole lot.
That Beck/Deathklock one is brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I like the changes made to the Hallmark one too...it really does work better shorter I think (and I actually originally thought the full length was fine)

One thing though is that the transition between the "I'm gonna moon him" to the credits is a little awkward. It's just a little too...I dunno...abrupt with a little bit too long of a pause after.

Also of minor note in the credits that particular version of Rubber Duckie is being sung by Insideout A Cappella, and it's the opening theme to My Little Pony not an ad.

And Deuce you loose serious otaku points for not knowing Tenchi Muyo. Shame! :nono:
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:57 am

This is looking really great, Deuce! It's got some excellent placement now, the beginning is exceptionally strong! My only issue now is that I think the ending, where we should have a bit of a finale with a lot of stronger clips, is a little slow with Jackass through time and Hallmark. You posted that Jackass got uproarious laughter, right? If that's true, then that one may be fine. Anyway, I'll do my breakdown.

White meat: First off, did everyone/anyone like the "I am the other white meat!" clip? I did that quickly as an experiment, it's not too funny, but if it gets a chuckle, that's all I really went for. Does everyone think it's worth keeping? Also, if we do, Deuce, can you cut it right when the audio cuts? I left a little buffer which I probably shouldn't have, the silence is kinda strange there.

New Test Pattern: I've been watching this twice now for notes, and while the first time I thought the test pattern sound was an interesting one, I realized it started to annoy me. The white noise-ish type from the original version clears the head I've found, this one struck me as more and more annoying the more I heard it. Is there any particular reason you changed it? It's not horrible, but over time it just started getting to me.

Bomberman: Love the new placement, it feels much stronger here!

Geico: I think you may have forgotten to move the Princess Tutu geico one to the front. This time especially I felt that its introduction was a bit too abrupt. I think switching the Tutu one with the first Haruhi one will take care of it just fine. By that point, everyone knows the gag.

Jojo and neighbors: I agree with Moonbunnychan, the laughter may overlap. But I must say, I LOVE where you started the Jojo clip. It felt so much more conversational without the silent moment rather than introspective like it seemed before. Nice cut! It actually made it funnier I think. I have a suggestion for moving clips that may add a tiny theme and give laughter leeway. Put Jojo after Kyoka bunch, because at that point people have sat through the end of the theme waiting for the next joke, and I kinda always wanted to drive a car through the Brady Bunch home ^^ The other move is to take Neighbors from that spot and move it after Jamaica, and you get a bit of an ocean theme between them. Both Kyoka and Jamaica have sort of slower endings, so they leave everyone ready. Anyone else have thoughts?

Slap Chop back? That older slap chop clip was back but not in the credits. I'll be honest, I didn't miss it in the last beta, I'm for cutting it.

Okay, now I'm begging: I'll once again beg to remove the monitor from the Naruto clip at least ^^ Even if the annoying 'deleted' is a battle I'll lose, I refuse to admit the monitor was a good idea ^^ I'm totally serious, just remove the monitor and it'll just get stronger. There's no way removing the monitor will harm it.

Jump in Coffee Toffee Twisted Frosty Deuce is there a way you could cut Coffee Toffee into two and just... remove that little audio skip from the center of it please? It really harms it for me, because it's this small moment of obvious silence, and the clip is so good, I don't want it harmed. Can you work with it a bit?

Hallmark: Sooo much clearer, shorter, straight to the point. Definitely an improvement I think. Nicely done. I don't think the eyes missing harms it at all, and leaving the teary eyes actually makes it better because it throws a curveball to the audience ^^ I must say though, I really want it earlier myself. Near the end the slower stuff with less direct comedy loses interest a bit faster, so I'd suggest considering moving it between the Ace of Cakes and Death Note/Family Guy.

Credits: Sorry Deuce, but unfortunately the way the credits are laid out doesn't work :( I know you were trying to avoid them expanding into the right side of the screen, but you shouldn't worry about that. These credits gave me serious trouble in knowing where to look. I know you did them quickly to get them in there, but they definitely need work. First off, don't be afraid to put them in list format, because that's so much more comfortable for western eyes. And if they overlap videos a little bit, don't worry, because consistency is key. We can even shorten some of them if you want. In the next few days, please work on these and post another version so we get another look.

Credit Videos: Hmm... there are parts of the pedobear and haruhi setup I like. Pedobear works, but may be stronger back in the 'finale' section to keep the speed up, don't you think? In that case I'm okay either way, since it does break up the credits a bit. I didn't want the Haruhi credits vid to be with the credits going though, because it was too small, and had too little movement compared to this moving wall of text. The eye will ALWAYS naturally be drawn to the largest moving object, that's a big animation rule, so the haruhi clip works strongest when it cuts into the credits like it's hacking the feed. Plus people want to see sources and such, so their attention will be darting back and forth, and the smallness of the side screen is a troublesome for subtle movements. I know you might be worried that it adds some time to the credits, but credits are credits. The haruhi vid can be used to sort of 'reboot' their attention if you play about 15 seconds of credits, then the video. People will then start expecting stuff and pay closer attention. The audience will not ditch the credits if they see that stuff happens with it.


Transitions:
-I'd suggest putting the AMVS4 logo right up against the Sony POS clip. The 4 seconds of the low tone will allow for laughter time or whatever.

-For the Beck/Dethklok one, please test pattern it as soon as "awaken" is done and the screen is completely red so it's like the Fumoffu beam destroyed the camera ^^

-Ending: Agreed with moonbunnychan on the ending. I liked it better with the test pattern. But yeah, I used some buffer space with that render too, so feel free to cut it after a half-beat after "Moon him" and go test pattern. That should make it land stronger.

For the credits, when I mean list format I mean:

TITLE
Creator
Source
Audio

If you really wanted to save some space, you could try out:

TITLE (Creator)
Source
Audio

moonbunnychan wrote:That Beck/Deathklock one is brilliant, absolutely brilliant.


Thanks so much, moonbunnychan :D I'm so happy I managed another one this year. Something told me if I didn't use Dethklok this year, next year the joke would be weaker.
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