What if AMVs were made legal?

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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby shonen_jidai » Mon May 17, 2010 8:59 pm

It would be nice if AMVs were legal, but I don't really see that happening until the generation that grew up with them is running things. A lot of old business models are dying slow tortuous deaths because the greedy dinosaurs running them just don't get it.
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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby Kitsuner » Mon May 17, 2010 9:07 pm

kireblue wrote:
Kitsuner wrote:There have actually been AMV editors from this site hired by anime companies to make official AMVs. The main examples that leap to mind are the Noir Omake videos that Kusoyaro, AbsoluteDestiny, dokidoki, and Nightowl made for the last disc of Noir.


I never knew of this. Why in the world don't we have a local for these videos? And the south one isn't even listed in the catalog.

Kusoyaro wrote:The video is not available for download, as the video itself, not just the footage, is the legal property of AD Vision.

Just like mirkosp said.
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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby OtakuGray » Mon May 17, 2010 9:20 pm

shonen_jidai wrote:It would be nice if AMVs were legal, but I don't really see that happening until the generation that grew up with them is running things. A lot of old business models are dying slow tortuous deaths because the greedy dinosaurs running them just don't get it.


I completely agree. :up:
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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon May 17, 2010 9:29 pm

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Kionon wrote:I dunno what you are talking about. I claim fair use as the basis for all my actions. I feel I'm quite within the legality. The only way to prove me wrong is to take me to court.

You know as well as any of us that fair use isn't an affirmative defense. We're in guilty until proven innocent territory here. You're in worse shape though - no fair use in nihongoland.


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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby gotegenks » Mon May 17, 2010 11:44 pm

i didn't even think about it as a market, and idk y not xD

AMV theatres?

if we had to buy amvs like anime on dvd, i'm almost certain we'd do ourselves in...piracy and junk, but i don't know how else there'd be a market...

that's where the legalization of WEED has an advantage... :x
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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby gotegenks » Mon May 17, 2010 11:50 pm

OH! (i really wish we had an edit button here)

Youtube would most definitely fully support us, maybe have our own section.

Most subs list : Nigahiga, Machinima, Nostromo, Miley Cyrus, Koopiskeva. :ying:

if that did happen though, the amount of LP Naruto vids that would have been deleted would linger who knows how many newfags don't know how to handle copyright, or are scared to dispute and end up deleting.

what comes to mind is the one cockroach that is immune to the pesticides. Take away the pesticides and our crops will be eaten alive.

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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby trythil » Wed May 19, 2010 2:40 am

shonen_jidai wrote:It would be nice if AMVs were legal, but I don't really see that happening until the generation that grew up with them is running things.


The "generation that grew up with them" doesn't seem to understand the problems of the current model.

An example: http://www.re-evolution.org/ (use Google's cache or something to see the site content if it doesn't load)

Note the copyright statement and the "all rights reserved" in the footer. This is a group of AMVers that

(a) believes there to be no problem so big as to halt publishing in unauthorized use of other people's material for their own works, and
(b) have no qualms in using the existing, all-restrictions-by-default model for the things on which they can (and, under modern laws, do by default) claim copyright

There is a second possibility, which is that the members of Re-Evolution just think that slapping "All Rights Reserved" on something looks cool, but if that's the case then what you have is ignorance of the law, and I don't think ignorance is really any better than intention, because they currently have the same effect.

This is only one case. No doubt that there are people making AMVs that see the problems with the popular default copyright model and actively do something with their own works to subvert it. But I don't think those people are in the majority, nor will they ever be -- few take ideology over security.
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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby trythil » Wed May 19, 2010 2:44 am

Preemptive tangential defense:

trythil wrote:few take ideology over security


yes I know it is possible to make money from free culture, free software, open source, open content. If you search these boards, you will see me citing examples of such feats. But the formula is not perceived to be so foolproof as the the all-rights-reserved model*, and so people shy away from it.

* asterisked because there are stories of recording artists who'd argue that all-rights-reserved benefits only the middlemen.
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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby Koopiskeva » Thu May 20, 2010 10:15 am

Eh? You mean they aren't legal?

/me hides the bags and bags of monies obtained from selling AMVs

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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby Megamom » Thu May 20, 2010 11:02 am

Koopiskeva wrote:/me hides the bags and bags of monies obtained from selling AMVs


:awesome: LOL

I think that if the AMVs were legal... no longer would be fun to edit AMVs, after all, illegal things are more fun |:>
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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby gotegenks » Thu May 20, 2010 5:05 pm

Megamom wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:/me hides the bags and bags of monies obtained from selling AMVs


:awesome: LOL

I think that if the AMVs were legal... no longer would be fun to edit AMVs, after all, illegal things are more fun |:>


what's the difference if it's legal or not? you don't get caught, and there's virtually no fear of getting caught or getting in trouble after you've made a video or two.

this is how a nerd says "FUCK THE POLICE!" i suppose...
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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu May 20, 2010 6:19 pm

What, exactly, do the police have to do with civil (i.e. not criminal) complaints?
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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby gotegenks » Thu May 20, 2010 11:34 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:What, exactly, do the police have to do with civil (i.e. not criminal) complaints?


i was making an allusion to bein a gangster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM

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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby gotegenks » Thu May 20, 2010 11:41 pm

gotegenks wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:What, exactly, do the police have to do with civil (i.e. not criminal) complaints?


i was making an allusion to bein a gangster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM

FUCK DA POLICE! /crunk :ying:

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Re: What if AMVs were made legal?

Postby 8bit_samurai » Fri May 21, 2010 12:20 am

Yes, we are certainly a nuisance to the establishment, or so it seems.
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