Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby mirkosp » Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:28 am

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Kionon wrote:Castor Troy, no. There is still no native implementation of avs on the Mac. Not until certain people get off their collective developer asses and finish what they promised would be in the 3.0 version.

AVS 3 is dead. Don't stay up late waiting :)

Non-vfw builds of avisynth 2.5.7 and/or 2.5.8 do exist though, as I'm sure some people are able to run avisynth natively on linux... and that might mean unix in general so perhaps could work for macs too. If only they were public available builds. :roll:
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Kitsuner » Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:39 am

mirkosp wrote:Non-vfw builds of avisynth 2.5.8 do exist though

I bet that's your favorite build.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Mister Hatt » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:32 am

Too bad mirko hasn't got a copy of it, and implying that the people with it would share (´∀`)

The two ways to use avisynth in OSX that are both bad but one is less bad:
wine avs2yuv.exe some.avs -o - | x264 - --stdin y4m --crf 0 --preset veryfast --tune fastdecode,zerolatency --keymax 3 -o lossless.mkv
Fancy virtual machine stuff with win2k stripped. Works faster and somewhat better at times, requires HDD space and lots of RAM.

Avisynth 3.0 is dead, the one developer it ever had has stated years ago that he does not intent to finish it and is no longer working on it. I don't know where people are getting the idea that it will eventually come out from, it is not stalled development, it is completely closed and dead.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Athena » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:41 am

Hatt, give me a write up, please. I assume you're running wine there in terminal. This isn't asking too much of me or some of the other veteran editors here, but it is more complicated than my amvapp via crossover/wine gui write up. It's a giant leap for newer mac editors, and that might be something to get into in a more advanced section.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Mister Hatt » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:58 am

What exactly do you want me to cover? avs2yuv is strictly terminal but you can run vdub and whatnot well enough in wine. I have no idea for crossover as I've never used it.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Athena » Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:07 am

Does avs2yuv run without first installing avisynth? Because that's the step I am mostly concerned with. How to get avisynth to run in the first place. Right now, installing it via crossover or wine is as easy as installing it on windows. Exactly the same, in fact.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Mister Hatt » Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:54 am

avs2yuv assumes that avisynth is already installed, and links to it inside wine for all the actual rendering. Some plugins don't work so great in wine, like fft3dgpu, or anything that uses CUDA. Most other DirectX abusing plugins are ok though. See http://voodoo-powered.net/avs2yuv-osx.txt for info on getting it going and some examples.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Athena » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:03 am

Allrighty, I'll look into it for more thorough guide. From what I can see though it would be hard on new mac editors, and I think it is something for them to try after using the more user friendly crossover/wine gui method.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:46 am

Kionon wrote:
rubyeye wrote:
Kionon wrote:Rubeye, have you read every sticky yet?

I've read a lot, but may have missed one or two. I just like to be able to go to one source location that has every piece of information consolidated. I'm actually doing something like that right now with my FCP notes, from watching countless hours of tutorials.


Again, this is the goal, but honestly, it's a massive effort, and the stickies represent what will be sections or chapters in that guide. This is why I want to know just how many people will use this guide if I write it. If there's just 15 of us, hell, just get on IRC and I'll talk you through the process. If there are a lot more of us, or we want to start building an actual subcommunity of Mac editors, then we're going to want that kind of guide out there, easily accessible to everyone.

Actually, you could've consolidated it all in the time you did this thread (and others "will you be interested" ones) and it would mean you would help those 15 editors, those that come AFTER and maybe even motivate some people to edit on Macs.

Your fight.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Athena » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:59 am

Nya-chan Production wrote:Actually, you could've consolidated it all in the time you did this thread (and others "will you be interested" ones) and it would mean you would help those 15 editors, those that come AFTER and maybe even motivate some people to edit on Macs.

Your fight.


Yes, I could have- if I had worked non stop for the last few days and did nothing else. Building this into an HTML guide like Read ErMaC & AbsoluteDestiny's Friendly AMV Guides is considerably more work than each individual sticky is. BBcode is far less complex than HTML. To me at least, and I'm to one having to do it.

As far as I can tell, I am not even sure we have fifteen editors, because that's assuming every one of the fifteen I am counting is actually around and active. I also note that several of them have processes that work for them, and I am not even sure they need help, or what they need help with.

I wanted opinions so I could find out what we, not just what Kio, want to give to those that come after.

As for motivating people to edit on macs? I don't think that's a valid goal. Mac editors are either people who ended up with a mac because of work or school, trying to get into the industry, etc. Or younger folks that have a mac as a first computer. I don't think there is much movement on the Org for people who are thinking, "Gee, if only someone would really, really tell me why I should edit on a mac." Besides, the biggest reasons I am on Mac have nothing to do with the actual editing process, or footage prep, it has to do with what I consider backup security and general system stability, as well as my own opinions of workflow through an OS interface. I just don't foresee anyone using the Mac guides as a reason to switch. Nor am I advocating they do so.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Mister Hatt » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:39 am

I'd have to agree with Kio there. What platform you use is dictated by your needs and not what other people tell you to use. My rig is a CentOS5 workstation for my compositing, a bunch of FreeBSD machines for encoding, and a Q9450 with Arch64 for my desktop. I use what I need, but that doesn't mean that every other user should suddenly be able to do all their editing in avisynth in linux, or compositing in AutoDesk's IFFFS on a commercial grade workstation.

@Kio: Sure, if you need more info, let me know. I don't think it would be too hard to actually hack up a basic GUI with Qt, but I don't think enough people need or want it to make it worth the time.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Panky » Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:25 pm

Kionon wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:Actually, you could've consolidated it all in the time you did this thread (and others "will you be interested" ones) and it would mean you would help those 15 editors, those that come AFTER and maybe even motivate some people to edit on Macs.

Your fight.


Yes, I could have- if I had worked non stop for the last few days and did nothing else. Building this into an HTML guide like Read ErMaC & AbsoluteDestiny's Friendly AMV Guides is considerably more work than each individual sticky is. BBcode is far less complex than HTML. To me at least, and I'm to one having to do it.

As far as I can tell, I am not even sure we have fifteen editors, because that's assuming every one of the fifteen I am counting is actually around and active. I also note that several of them have processes that work for them, and I am not even sure they need help, or what they need help with.

I wanted opinions so I could find out what we, not just what Kio, want to give to those that come after.

As for motivating people to edit on macs? I don't think that's a valid goal. Mac editors are either people who ended up with a mac because of work or school, trying to get into the industry, etc. Or younger folks that have a mac as a first computer. I don't think there is much movement on the Org for people who are thinking, "Gee, if only someone would really, really tell me why I should edit on a mac." Besides, the biggest reasons I am on Mac have nothing to do with the actual editing process, or footage prep, it has to do with what I consider backup security and general system stability, as well as my own opinions of workflow through an OS interface. I just don't foresee anyone using the Mac guides as a reason to switch. Nor am I advocating they do so.


This is indeed interesting for mac users. Don't worry about the BBCODE - HTML conversion; I'm totally sure you can find online converters that will replace forums common tags with html tags. You can just do it this way easily, then convert and merge, and save up a lot of time.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby mirkosp » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:05 pm

Panky wrote:I'm totally sure you can find online converters that will replace forums common tags with html tags. You can just do it this way easily, then convert and merge, and save up a lot of time.

http://www.bbcode-to-html.com/
First google hit seems to be a nice one. :D
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Athena » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:03 pm

mirkosp wrote:
Panky wrote:I'm totally sure you can find online converters that will replace forums common tags with html tags. You can just do it this way easily, then convert and merge, and save up a lot of time.

http://www.bbcode-to-html.com/
First google hit seems to be a nice one. :D


Still will take some time to reorganise things properly.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby KagatoAMV » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:52 pm

I do my editing on my MacBook Pro with FCP, biggest issue I have is with producing the final file for my finished video for the submitting to contests. I'm never quite sure if the file I've produced will play correctly on the contest coordinator's computer.
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