How to select clips?

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How to select clips?

Postby RottenJesus » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:14 am

Hi there all you veterans!
I returned to the site once again, as I'm doing since a couple of years. I started with one AMV back in 2004 and couldn't get my ass to finish a whole project since then. Every now and then, the ideas come back swirling in my head and I try to start once again. Lasts for a couple of days or weeks where I plan my video, rip the footage and so on, and then there comes the most annoying part for me: Selecting which clips to use for editing.
Until now, I rewatched the anime before starting with the whole process and wrote a few scenes down that I want to use. I end up watching the anime one more time when I import them into Vegas and throw all the interesting scenes on one timeline where I can select further when I start editing.
Usually that's the point where I lose my motivation and stop... Most of the time I want to edit right away, and all this work I have to do beforehand stops me from coming far enough to really do so.

Can someone give me a hint how to do better? Any method that you use and is easier/faster?
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby Ileia » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:36 am

Well, that's one of the less fun aspects of the hobby. The work beforehand is a necessary evil, unfortunately.
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby Mastamind » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:14 am

The first time I edited a full video I just threw all the vob files directly into my program and started editing immediately. I found this to be way easier and, obviously, less exhausting. Of course eventually I had to go through hell to sort out the problems this caused, but at least I didn't waste any time losing my motivation.
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:33 am

1TB HDDs can be had for less than $100 (less than $80 if you're not picky about the speed they rotate at). Use full DVDs and dump the footage to discs and clip in your NLE as you're going. Most of it should be easy if you have a solid concept. If you don't, you shouldn't be editing the video in the first place.
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby Castor Troy » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:09 pm

As an editor, you should have a feel for what you want to put at certain parts of the song.

99.9% of the time, the clips will be much different than you imagined and you'll have to improvise your video on the fly. You'll be surprised how much improvisation works in comparison to what you originally thought in your head.

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Re: How to select clips?

Postby Milk Or Life! » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:20 pm

nach you can get used to cutting out scenes i would suggest playing some nice music in background while cutting out scenes i vdub ...or just use directshow. :P
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby RottenJesus » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:55 pm

I'm already working with full dvd-clips and that, but from your answers I guess I just need a stricter concept what I really want to have on certain parts, so that I can better distinguish which scenes suit and which don't. Guess I have to work on that more. I only manage to get a tight concept on certain parts, the rest I normally leave up to improvisation when it comes up, and try different approaches how to do that. But that's not the hard part. Sometimes this is even the most enjoyable, when you just throw in one clip that COULD fit and it fits more perfectly than you could imagine.

Can be very discouraging though to search for the exact scene you have in mind, but you can't find it or it was different in the anime as you remembered.
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby NS » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:26 pm

Either I remember that the scene exists in the anime, and the general location of it, or I have to scrub through episodes until I find the type of thing I want.
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby LittleAtari » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:13 pm

A lot of times, I know that a source is perfect for a song. Most of the time, I cant remember or seem to find the clips I need for said song though. What I've started to get into the habit of doing, is making an extra sequence within premiere that I can just dump clips into that I think can go with the song. I throw any and every clip that can somehow go with the song. If I want to focus on a character, I give them their own sequence and put clips of them in it. I feel like my thought process has gotten a little jumbled when it comes to editing, so this allows me to brainstorm my clips.

Then, while editing, I'll end up taking most of my clips from that sequence. If I ever get completely stuck, I go back to dumping more clips into my little storage bin.

It kind of sucks that I'm no longer just jumping into editing, but considering that this process doesnt require me to actually listen to the song, I'll usual do it while sitting on skype with a friend or something. I also feel like this forces me to explore every opportunity that my source has available, making my work more thought out.
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:31 pm

Use full movies and file mounting (b^^)b
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby seasons » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:42 pm

I'm just running through episodes one by one and making subclips out of anything that looks usable. This is a horribly inefficient and time-consuming method but when I have (what I think is) a good but uselessly incomplete draft of the video in my head, this is the only method I've used to help bring it into clearer focus prior to editing.

I rarely take advantage of the extra sequence feature in Premiere, I might try LittleAtari's method just to see what happens.
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby Kitsuner » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:50 pm

If you find out a clip you imagined doesn't actually exist, animate it yourself. :up:
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby macchinainterna » Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:23 am

Sacrifice A LOT of virgins.
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby Knowname » Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:29 am

seasons wrote:I'm just running through episodes one by one and making subclips out of anything that looks usable. This is a horribly inefficient and time-consuming method but when I have (what I think is) a good but uselessly incomplete draft of the video in my head, this is the only method I've used to help bring it into clearer focus prior to editing.

I rarely take advantage of the extra sequence feature in Premiere, I might try LittleAtari's method just to see what happens.


uh. why not just use the entire episode

like the first guy said (after ileia she's a girl -_-) just put the full vob or video file or movie into premoere or w/e you use and work from there in real time.

good it saves time. makes it very easy to backup too. all you need is the same vobs put into the folder and boom you got your entire project back. so's all you need to save when your backing up is your project file (and maybe any titles/ graphics/ alternate sources you might use). OFC I don't use After Affects so that might add something else but.

bad is well you can't really clean this footage... unless your gonna clean the entire thing or do it post-editing. also it makes an awful mess of your timeline unless your VERY organized. If your not very organized it could be difficult to even think with all of that possible footage.
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Re: How to select clips?

Postby downwithpants » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:55 am

try to storyboard your amv first, even if you can't think of specific scenes from the anime during this process. then go through your source and try to see how you can make something fit.

otherwise if you don't have an overall direction for your video, one tip is you can use the story of the anime itself for a segment of your video. more specifically, look for a segment of the anime where a sequence of events is presented visually and it makes you want to see what happens next. for extra points look for such a segment that you can tie to the music. this can allow you just take clips from just 2-3 minutes of one episode and allow you to fill like 10-30 seconds of the amv. it's not as creative (you're using storytelling and presentation elements from the anime), but... it can work.
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