Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby hasteroth » Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:28 pm

Well yeah I've noticed it to. For me it's like there are 1 or 2 good anime each season. But for the most part I can watch just about anything pre-2005 and enjoy it. I running through a mental list of anime I know that are from 2005 or earlier and so far I've thought of very few anime that I did not care for. But almost all of them are quite good, just not my taste. This doesn't include hentai or anime aimed at young children.
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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby Sonydjsnmix » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:28 pm

Nostalgia makes everything look better.

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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby Qyot27 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:43 pm

I guess I'm of the minority opinion that I don't really see a decline (except in the non-variety that the average fan is exposed to or interested in these days; CN still hasn't grown out of their 'anime-fans-are-easily-pleased-and-only-want-action-series' mentality). Good and bad are present in every era, and even what constitutes those things is subjective. I also don't get all the moe hate - I see it as the visual equivalent to the under-16 crowd's use of 'emo' to mean any sort of emotional response, histrionic or not (not to mention that they don't even know what they're talking when they use it about music, either - I wouldn't be at all surprised if kids now would label Nirvana as 'emo', I've already seen them do it to Industrial bands). It's just become a whipping boy for everything the viewer thinks is wrong with the target of their frustration. If we limit it strictly to a perception that the show is pandering, well, 1) I don't see much that hasn't already been pandered dozens of times over in the last 20 years, and 2) I'd rather it be moe than an endless litany of dull Gundam spinoffs (as if the two are somehow distinct; of course, I am in the classic Macross camp). Either the meaning has become more broad, or people are overreacting. I still find stuff I'm pleased to watch nowadays - actually, I'd say we're kind of on an uptick; the last couple of years I've found more series enjoyable than I did in the middle of the decade. Then again I'm selective in what I watch, and usually don't waste my time on shows I don't have a strong feeling I'll like.

To set this in perspective, I started out around '96, although at the time I didn't have too many avenues to watch stuff without feeling like I had to hide it from my parents. To be frank, I've been jaded about the 'culture' (read: obnoxious otaku fanboyism) since I became acutely aware of it in high school, and about the medium itself perhaps since, always - my interest in it was never about the novelty. I can tell when something is getting overrated when I see it, although that doesn't mean that whatever it is doesn't have merit and that I won't enjoy it.

The same largely applies to AMVs - the one, certain thing I lament is that comedy videos are just not what they used to be. AMV Hell can probably be blamed for that (and I'm not excusing myself here, considering I participated in 4 of them). If we extend the definition of 'comedy' to the kooky or zany fun videos, then there's still some gems that arrive every year, but the volume has really dropped off from what it was five or more years ago.
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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby Qyot27 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:46 pm

Qyot27 wrote:not to mention that they don't even know what they're talking about when they use it about music, either

Gah, fixed.
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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby OzzieAlThor79 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:56 pm

Sonydjsnmix wrote:Nostalgia makes everything look better.


^^ This.

There are rarely too many GREAT shows on American TV or in licensed anime that come out each year.

Yes there are lots of good anime from the past just as there were lots of good TV shows in the past too. For both there was ALOT of crap too.

The reason some are feeling jaded about anime is they are runnig out of the backlog of earlier stuff that was high quality and they know it. They don't see much on the horizon that makes them think "wow, this will be AWESOME", mainly because they never have HAD to. Basically unless you are doing the fansubbing from stuff directly from Japan, you heard about just about every show from a buddy, saw it because a TV station decided you might like it or you sat at a con and watched it (and it's there because whoever is running the video rooms put it there).

That's true of all TV. It's the way things work. Don't consume so much of the medium and your appreciation for it will grow again.

When it comes to AMV's, I agree with the AMV Hell opinion to a point.

Before AMV Hell, people did comedy's exactly like it. The only difference is that they did a 60 second to 3 and a half minute long video using some funny audio and songs. So then AMV Hell comes around and does what the majority of funny AMV's did in 5 to 20 seconds-ish. Now people are less inclined to do longer audio clips because people get bored quicker now.

This is really true of most generes of AMV's now.

Now take into account the "Linkin Park Z" message. For YEARS the message here has been "BE ORIGINAL! BE ORIGINAL!". Well, the quality people agree with that and so the only way to be original with that stuff is do effect based stuff. "Look at mah video! It's SHINY!!!!!!!".

Is there ways around it? Meh, not really. Only people who haven't been doing/wathcing this for years find this stuff fresh.

I say that you make the video you'd like to see and if you do that, people will like it. The only way to get a fresh face on this is to not engage as much for a while. I personally don't watch AMV's every day or week even. Same with anime. Absence makes the heart grow fonder!
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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby Nekohana » Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:12 pm

some animes are just pointless cause it sort of repeats its self. there are tho some that are good and original.
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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby Dr. Derpface, J.D. » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:12 pm

TL;DR

Entertainment in general (movies/tv/anime/music/theater) jumped the shark a long time ago.

Hollywood: Lowest Common Denominator Baysplosions

Music: Lowest Common Denominator "don't innovate because it won't go gold in 2 days" Top40 mush

TV: Lowest Common Denominator reality-trash

Anime: Lowest Common Denominator "OMGITSFROMJAPANSOITSAWESOME!!!!" pandering (*cough*bleach/naruto*cough*)

Theater: Lowest Common Denominator "lets sing about political issues so it sounds fresh and edgy" rehashing


Sure, there are examples to the contrary for each. But by and large, the entire entertainment industry is more concerned with pandering to mouth-breathing retards, suing teenagers and the elderly, and squeezing as much cash from everything as they can to bother coming up with anything original or worthwhile.
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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby OzzieAlThor79 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:26 pm

But I like Naruto...

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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby Knowname » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:10 pm

This discussion is a waste of time, there were WAY more mediocre shows from the 80's and 90's that never even got translated due to the difficulty. OFC it's gonna look like it's gotten progressively worse as there is much more (say 95% as opposed to 50% of all available series... with 20-30% of that being extremely difficult to get) available. my decission is simply just don't sweat it. There's more than enough out there to watch and still some I even missed! Viva le animation!
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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby Garridy » Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:41 am

I think a few people here got the right idea. There newer you are to any form hobby/entertainment, the more you will enjoy it. You will discover "new", "creative", "original" ideas. However, the longer you indulge in any hobby/entertainment, the less infatuated you become with it. Eventually, you will reach the point where little about it is fun anymore because you have become so familiar in experiencing your entertainment that you know what to expect, it gets old, and you will come across things that will challenge/surprise/charm you less and less.

This holds true for TV, movies, music, anime, card/board games, sports, video games, jokes, racing, sex, reading, art, editing, programing, forums, making models, RC, shopping, crime, self mutilation, fashion, and even "thats what she said" (not jokin).
It is inevitable that it happens. It should be no surprise. It is much more that YOU are changing, not anime.
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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby OzzieAlThor79 » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:40 am

Sex is included in that too?! LIES!
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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby Garridy » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:09 pm

OzzieAlThor79 wrote:Sex is included in that too?! LIES!

Obviously you have not had enough, or you would know. :wink:
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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby Knowname » Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:49 am

obviously
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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby Koopiskeva » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:58 am

Hi.

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Re: Has anime just plain jumped the shark in it's entirety?

Postby mirkosp » Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:13 am

Koopiskeva wrote:http://www.animemusicvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=98182


INB4 someone necroposts it.
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