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Re: Had to dowload the newest app again

Postby Scintilla » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:13 am

Careful with that AssumeFPS(24). The only reason this should be in there is if your video editing software doesn't properly support 23.976fps, like Adobe Premiere up to Pro version CS2 or CS3. Otherwise it'll just make things needlessly confusing.
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Re: Had to dowload the newest app again

Postby OzzieAlThor79 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:51 am

I'll give this a whirl. I'll try with and without the FPS line and see which works better.
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Re: Had to dowload the newest app again

Postby Qyot27 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:52 pm

Scintilla wrote:Careful with that AssumeFPS(24). The only reason this should be in there is if your video editing software doesn't properly support 23.976fps, like Adobe Premiere up to Pro version CS2 or CS3. Otherwise it'll just make things needlessly confusing.

Yeah, I'm still on Premiere 6.5. I don't really find the BeSweet method confusing, though; use the time-corrected one in your editor, and only use the original copy after you've AssumeFPS'ed the exported footage back to 23.976 - which would only be at the end, when preparing final encodes of everything.

So CS4 (and upcoming CS5) do properly support 23.976, and not just claim to? I remember that was a problem with some of the early Pro offerings.
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Re: Had to dowload the newest app again

Postby Scintilla » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:33 pm

Qyot27 wrote:
Scintilla wrote:Careful with that AssumeFPS(24). The only reason this should be in there is if your video editing software doesn't properly support 23.976fps, like Adobe Premiere up to Pro version CS2 or CS3. Otherwise it'll just make things needlessly confusing.

Yeah, I'm still on Premiere 6.5. I don't really find the BeSweet method confusing, though; use the time-corrected one in your editor, and only use the original copy after you've AssumeFPS'ed the exported footage back to 23.976 - which would only be at the end, when preparing final encodes of everything.

Oh, neither do I -- I'm still on Premiere Pro (1.0), so I've been editing with the time-correction method for six years. :P
I'm saying it could needlessly confuse someone whose editing program does properly support 23.976, because then if you want to send it to a contest that wants the fractional frame rates, you'd have to do the time-correction part; whereas if you skip the AssumeFPS(24) and just edit at 23.976, you wouldn't need all of that.

Qyot27 wrote:So CS4 (and upcoming CS5) do properly support 23.976, and not just claim to? I remember that was a problem with some of the early Pro offerings.

I don't remember encountering any problems the one time Cyanna tried it with Premiere Pro CS4, but someone who's done more editing with those systems recently would be better able to address this.
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Re: Had to dowload the newest app again

Postby LantisEscudo » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:43 pm

PP2 and up correctly handle 23.976. I've worked with it without issues in both PP2 and CS4 (never tried CS3, but I'd assume it works, since the versions before and after both do).
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Re: Had to dowload the newest app again

Postby mirkosp » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:47 pm

There is one notable issue related to 23.976 footage still to be addressed even in cs4: trying to directly load a lossless avi with more than - say - a couple minutes worth or footage, especially if HD, will end up in one or both of the following to happen:
- Footage loads as 23.98 and not 23.976. This is annoying as trying to force premiere to assume it as 23.976 doesn't apparently work (doesn't in my beta, not sure if it does in finals, although I think I was told it still doesn't)
- Footage loads as 23.976 but at a certain point it just becomes the same frame repeated to no end. You can work only with, like, the first one or two minutes of footage.
However, loading the lossless through avisource and importing the avs file directly in premiere will make the footage load as 23.976 just fine and be full length. Another solution, to the second issue, could be making really short clips, but nothing assures you that at some point in time premiere ends up thinking it's 23.98 and not 23.976 anyway.
That said, the timeline is actually 23.976, as is the output. Input is the only thing that gets the 23.98 and/or the odd cutoff, and even then only with avi directly. It's prolly related to the weight of the files, as that would also explain why avs files work smoothly.
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Re: Had to dowload the newest app again

Postby OzzieAlThor79 » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:41 pm

So far the script is working great!
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