Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby Rinny » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:44 pm

Scintilla wrote:
Rinny wrote:If they don't know what it means to jizz in your pants, the video's not gonna do any damage.

In that case, the parents in attendance probably don't want to have to deal with their kids asking them afterwards what it means (you know at least some of them would).


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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby Deuce Loosely » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:48 pm

...never mind the embarrassment of their kids going around singing the song in public, whether or not they know what it means. Anyway, according to the logic of some of you, why not just open the floodgates on ALL obscenities? No harm done if they don't know what it means or if they already do, right? :roll:
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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby Rinny » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:06 pm

deuceloosely wrote:...never mind the embarrassment of their kids going around singing the song in public, whether or not they know what it means. Anyway, according to the logic of some of you, why not just open the floodgates on ALL obscenities? No harm done if they don't know what it means or if they already do, right? :roll:


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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby Deuce Loosely » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:42 pm

Rinny wrote:
deuceloosely wrote:...never mind the embarrassment of their kids going around singing the song in public, whether or not they know what it means. Anyway, according to the logic of some of you, why not just open the floodgates on ALL obscenities? No harm done if they don't know what it means or if they already do, right? :roll:


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...so why bother putting those rules in place if they're gonna be ignored? I'd say "let's just make this AMV contest a "blue" event since it seems to be headed that way," but that's a little extreme. Anyway, I'm hoping for some official kind of word from the coordinators on this matter. I know I'm not the only one out there who couldn't believe that song "passed" the obscenity rule...
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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby ngsilver » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:02 am

I've always understood that even if the rule is not written down that the coordinator reserves the right to enforce or not enforce any rule for any reason they feel appropriate.

Specifically, the rule for this convention was that offensive language, violence, or nudity would not be allowed. Offensive language is a rather subjective thing, since one person may find something offensive (such as curse words) while another might not. The Jizz in my Pants song, personally, I don't find the language offensive, and taking the rule wording literally I would not disqualify the video myself because the video doesn't raise the offensive language flag for me.

The truth is the rule is in fact worded in such a way that there can be multiple takes on it's meaning, and none would be wrong persay. In the end it is how the coordinator interprets the rule and then enforces that interpretation that matters. And apparently from my understanding it seems the interpretation is quite literal.
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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby Cyanna » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:35 am

I'm not a parent but I was raised by parents who would have been concerned of their little one being exposed to that stuff.

As far as the little kiddies are concerned, I'd think the kind of parent (assuming this is their first con) who would be THAT worried about the "jizzed" video would already be sufficiently anxious enough with the acts of violence and possibly horrific death scenes that usually go with the action and drama categories as well as possible suggestive themes that can be seen in romances long before they have to worry about "dirty" humor in comedy. This video is really nothing new when it comes to "questionable" material in AMV contests. I've seen plenty of contest videos that had suggestive imagery set to otherwise clean songs. Not a gripe....just noting that no one says boo about THOSE videos. You don't need a questionable song to make a questionable video.

(Even something like this one. It's pretty and sparkly. The song is inoffensive. It's been well received...no problems being accepted into contests and it has won several awards. But try explaining this relationship to your confused little one and I'm not talking about the gay (though depending on the person it could be a double whammy). Well, honey, when a grown man and a little boy love each other...)

But most parents that are not anime fans usually don't consider "baby's first anime con" as a vacation possibility. They're usually there for their already saavy teens. Any tots walking around are usually with their anime-loving parents...who usually know better.
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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby NightMistress85 » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:14 am

Congrats to the winners!

Rinny wrote:Do most kids under 13 know what it means to jizz in your pants? XD


My best friend's 8 year old sister knows what it means, and that isn't even the fault of her parents. She gets it all from going to school.

Did anybody have this problem with that one subtitled video that made Otakon's finals for comedy? "Have you been high today?" "I love you inside Ed." "I like to swim in his bee-jay." I'm sure a lot more children were in attendance for that than here yet I don't recall a lot of complaints. There was maybe one kid there for this contest and he wasn't in the room most of the time. For the video to win, obviously there were enough in attendance to get the context and not be offended.

I'd be more worried about what my kid could be exposed to by merely walking around and looking at costumes, or language they would hear rather than what they'd see in an amv contest. The con-goers certainly don't censor themselves for the youngsters.
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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby Deuce Loosely » Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:06 am

I think AUSA and Otakon AMV contests are run by the same people. Go figure. :roll:

Anyway, I was coming at this from a purely administrative angle. If I'm going to look the other way from a rule being ignored, I may as well not even make it a rule. NekoCon allowed a watermarked video into finals and, as a member of their AMV staff who voted for disqualification on those grounds, I thought it looked bad for us.

Seriously, why bother posting an obscenity rule at all? I don't know why it bothers me so much because I understand the logic in the previous arguments. I guess if it were up to me I'd have been afraid of being flooded the following year by others asking me to make similar exceptions for their entries.

Perhaps not all AMV contests can be run the same way. I dunno...
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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby NightMistress85 » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:43 am

My point isn't about the coordinators, rather the complaints afterward about the content of the videos. I've seen more controversial stuff get a pass for other contests. That's just the last con that is the freshest in my memory.

I've seen watermarks of some form in virtually every contest I've attended. Perhaps that's something every contest will have to work on. However, the rules worded here say that they reserve the right to reject videos that don't adhere to the rules, not that they absolutely will. For the obscenity rule it says that coordinators will use their discretion, not that obscenity is absolutely not allowed.
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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby anneke » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:53 am

Is 'Jizzed' a word that gets bleeped on TV or Radio? To my knowledge it's not. That's usually what I use to determine if something is offensive. Where the F-word is bleeped, but you can say just 'F-U' and it not get bleeped. This song seems to be one of those situations. We know what he is really meaning, but the actual terminology is not used, and therefore not offensive as far as radio/tv and thus acceptable to the contest. Atleast that's my take on the situation.
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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby Adv1sor » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:11 pm

As my old friend George use to say, "on TV, you can prick your finger, but you can't finger your prick."

It's not the word itself, it's the context.

But frankly, I'm more concerned with the watermarks I saw at both AUSA and Nekocon. These can get us into trouble faster than foul language.
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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby HalOfBorg » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:42 pm

Adv1sor wrote:As my old friend George use to say, "on TV, you can prick your finger, but you can't finger your prick."
It's not the word itself, it's the context.But frankly, I'm more concerned with the watermarks I saw at both AUSA and Nekocon. These can get us into trouble faster than foul language.


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I won't list them.

Of course they were updated later on to a MUCH larger list.
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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby Adv1sor » Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:32 pm

HalOfBorg wrote:
Remember the 7 words you can never say on television.
Yeah, and now that I think about it I remember how old I was when I first heard that routine.

Maybe I've let myself get too worked up over nothing?

I'm going to watch some anime, make a couple new AMVs for Katsucon, and let the rest of the world go on however God wants it to go. :book:
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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:03 pm

As someone who not only runs a contest at a con, but has several friends that also run contests at cons, the general rule of thumb is PG-13 ratings. Which, because of ratings creep, means you can even say 'fuck' once per video (as long as it's not in the word's actual context of slang for "to have sex with"). You can also say 'bitch' as much as you want - even when using it to refer to women.

This is what PG-13 IS nowadays - it's pretty simple.

(though, if you want to be literal, yaoi gets banned because the MPAA ratings board is pretty homophobic)
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Re: Anime USA 2009 Unofficial Results

Postby HalOfBorg » Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:52 pm

I have had several contests drop "Hell Girl Likes a Pink Pill" because of 'bitch' in it.
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