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Postby Mastamind » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:31 pm

Wtf is this:

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As you can see, around the edges it's messed up. Here's a normal frame, what it should look like:

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This happens on EVERYTHING I export from Vegas. Lagarith, Huffyvuv, I've tried different containers, sizes, but Vegas insists on screwing up the video.
Anybody help? :shock:
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Re: Problem?

Postby Kariudo » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:32 pm

Are you rendering at the same resolution and aspect ratio as your source?
That looks like bad resizing to me.

If all else fails, you can use Debugmode Frameserver to open your project in Vdub/mod and let it do your render instead of Vegas
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Re: Problem?

Postby Mastamind » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:29 pm

Kariudo wrote:Are you rendering at the same resolution and aspect ratio as your source?

Yes I am actually. I forgot to mention that this occurs about every other frame- one will be normal, and the next will have that.
I just finished some more tests. I made some vertical lines, rendered, and there was no problem. So why won't it work on the footage I need? I'll look into the Debugmode Frameserver, but I'd like to get to the core of the matter and figure out what the problem is. :?
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Re: Problem?

Postby Kariudo » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:02 pm

not rendering interlaced, are you?

if that's not it, post your project and render settings, and source properties.
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Re: Problem?

Postby Mastamind » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:09 pm

Kariudo wrote:not rendering interlaced, are you?

if that's not it, post your project and render settings, and source properties.


No.
Project settings:
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Render settings:
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Source Footage:
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(And yes there is a reason I have the pixel aspect ratio the way it is)
Funny enough, for some reason I originally had the field order on that clip "Upper first" :sweat: ... Changed it to progressive, problem fixed. BUT, now after I changed it, Vegas feels like interlacing:

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...Yeah. Footage isn't interlaced, project and export settings aren't interlaced, but somehow, it comes out interlaced? :?
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Re: Problem?

Postby Kariudo » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:32 pm

That's probably because you're trying to make Vegas double your framerate.
My guess is that vegas is looking at each frame as a field and blending the two to get to 60fps
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Re: Problem?

Postby Mastamind » Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:08 pm

That's not it... I tried rendering 30fps and it's still there. And if that was the case, it should have been interlaced before I changed the footage settings.
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Re: Problem?

Postby Kariudo » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:42 pm

try setting deinterlace method to 'none' instead of blend fields (then motion blur to none as well if that doesn't work)

if you're changing the velocity of the clip, you might need to disable resample or something (not really sure, I use premiere)
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Re: Problem?

Postby Enigma » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:25 pm

Kariudo wrote:try setting deinterlace method to 'none' instead of blend fields (then motion blur to none as well if that doesn't work)

if you're changing the velocity of the clip, you might need to disable resample or something (not really sure, I use premiere)

Disable Resample is you're friend.
And try using theses settings for you're project.
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Re: Problem?

Postby Mastamind » Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:41 pm

Kariudo wrote:try setting deinterlace method to 'none' instead of blend fields (then motion blur to none as well if that doesn't work)

if you're changing the velocity of the clip, you might need to disable resample or something (not really sure, I use premiere)


Thanks, that did it. So problem solved, for now. :D

Soup wrote:And try using theses settings for you're project.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4117/image1ig.jpg

Frankly, I'm in a position where I can't change the AR of the source. And the pixel aspect ratio is at 0.9091, but is it OK if I make my final compression with those settings? Or should I resize it after I export from Vegas?
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Re: Problem?

Postby Enigma » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:56 pm

Mastamind wrote:
Soup wrote:And try using theses settings for you're project.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4117/image1ig.jpg

Frankly, I'm in a position where I can't change the AR of the source. And the pixel aspect ratio is at 0.9091, but is it OK if I make my final compression with those settings? Or should I resize it after I export from Vegas?

I normally use those settings when it comes to 4:3 anime and always worked for me without any frame blending,So that's why i recommended them :P
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Re: Problem?

Postby Kariudo » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:26 pm

It's dangerous to recommend something if you don't know exactly what it means/does |:

720 x 480 is 0.9 PAR not 1.0 (640 x 480 is 1.0)
23.976 fps is for IVTC'd footage, but if you just used TFM or Telecide without using TDecimate or Decimate then you'd be at 29.97 (or whatever 30000/1001 is)

Like I said before, I don't use Vegas...but the "adjust source media to better match project or render settings" thing worries me. To me, that sounds like vegas will resize/adjust PAR/adjust framerate to match your project settings. Letting Vegas (or any editing program really,) handle those things is likely to turn out poorly

the short answer: just match your project settings to your source properties, and use the same settings for rendering
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Re: Problem?

Postby Scintilla » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:57 pm

Kariudo wrote:It's dangerous to recommend something if you don't know exactly what it means/does |:

720 x 480 is 0.9 PAR not 1.0 (640 x 480 is 1.0)

What's wrong with editing it at square pixels, as long as you remember to resize any still images you import and resize the video later for distro (or not even then, if you're encoding to MPEG-2 or -4)? I edit at 720x480 square pixels all the time.
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Re: Problem?

Postby Kariudo » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:03 pm

Scintilla wrote:What's wrong with editing it at square pixels...

It's wrong because square is the shape of evil.

Scintilla wrote:...as long as you remember to resize any still images you import and resize the video later for distro (or not even then, if you're encoding to MPEG-2 or -4)?

My guess is that most people don't realize this. Telling people to set up their projects as 720x480 square pixels and then to resize or set PAR flags just introduces another step for people to mess up.

To be honest, I didn't figure (or perhaps I forgot,) you could edit 720x480 @ PAR 1 (without screwing things up) until you brought this up
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Re: Problem?

Postby Mastamind » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:39 pm

Ok, thanks all- so, bottom line here, I'm good if I keep my final distribution setting the same as I already have it, or would I need to resize along the way? I'm just a little unclear on whether a PAR of .9 is should be used for distribution.
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