me: mmm
nah
Orwell: no little girls shooting parents?
fine
me: parents are not to blame
it's the symbolic order
WE MUST OVERTHROW THE DIATONIC SYSTEM
Otohiko wrote: Don't get me wrong, I like Canada.
BasharOfTheAges wrote:I mean Hitler wasn't ALL bad... he didn't kill every jew...
godix wrote:
Specifically in regards to what Oto said, capitalism is not bad or evil. If anything, it's similar to what Churchill described democracy as: the worst form of economics, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. Capitalism is the key to wealth. Before a country can care about the environment, human rights, aid to poor nations, or any other ideal you hold the nation has to be rich enough to support its peoples. It's the old hierarchy of needs pyramid applied to politics, countries that aren't rich won't ever get beyond worrying about the base needs. I'm not saying capitalism is perfect, I'd probably agree with any criticism of it you'd care to mention, but places without capitalism are even more fucked up than those with it.
Kionon wrote:To those that say my viewpoint is silly, I challenge you, show me a country with as much power as the US that has restrained itself as well as the US.
Otohiko wrote:My attack on capitalism is more sociocultural than economic. Again, some of the more farfetched forms of socialism have it just as wrong, but I have a serious problem with the commodification of everything that American culture especially has been excelling at.
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It's all good while you have a relatively healthy middle class (or, alternatively, a morbidly obese ex-working class which has been successfully retrained as a new proletariat of tasteless, poorly-educated, easily-manipulated consumers, creating a ticking time bomb for when their feed runs out). Sadly, I've seen first hand what happens when any semblance of middle class collapses in an aggressively capitalist society. Noone is safe from it, even in the most developed Western societies, especially when those societies are increasingly reliant on mostly-fictional capital to keep their formerly-working classes afloat.
godix wrote:Otohiko wrote: If the US finished it's manifest destiny and took over just two countries, Canada and Mexico, then it'd be #1 again.
guy07 wrote:I agree, the US is very a super power in the world and ya, it would be almost impossible to bring it down within a decade. But we're not just looking at military power and economic size. Things like social standards, living standards, average education levels of citizens and crap like that are all parts of what makes a country good.
While Americans in general are good people, it somehow seems that only the crazies make it to jobs in politics.
guy07 wrote: Yet somehow a few retarded politicians say anything gov. funded us "evil and communist" then everyone changes their opinion on gov. funded health care, cuz NOBODY wants to vote in something so evil, right? *sigh* It's a great country, but I don't get how those religious nut jobs get those jobs.
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