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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby wurpess » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:17 pm

OzzieAlThor79 wrote:I guess I never understood how fiercly people will defend loli stuff.

Would it be ok if I was using a real picutre of a 12-15 year old? Say one of you all's cousins or sisters?

Saying that one is real and one isn't doesn't cut it (in my ever so humble opinion) as the *intent* is to masturbate to underage children having sex.

I just cannot wrap my head around this stuff being a good thing or it in any way leading to something besides bad things.

Hey, all I'm saying is that they should either require that everyone in porn look 18+ in addition to being 18+, or allow loli hentai. Because, IMO, the some of the "legal" stuff is 10x worse than loli hentai, and probably much more likely to encourage pedophiles. So I feel it's unfair to knock one and allow the other, when the end result is really very similar.
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby OzzieAlThor79 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:33 pm

wurpess wrote:
OzzieAlThor79 wrote:I guess I never understood how fiercly people will defend loli stuff.

Would it be ok if I was using a real picutre of a 12-15 year old? Say one of you all's cousins or sisters?

Saying that one is real and one isn't doesn't cut it (in my ever so humble opinion) as the *intent* is to masturbate to underage children having sex.

I just cannot wrap my head around this stuff being a good thing or it in any way leading to something besides bad things.

Hey, all I'm saying is that they should either require that everyone in porn look 18+ in addition to being 18+, or allow loli hentai. Because, IMO, the some of the "legal" stuff is 10x worse than loli hentai, and probably much more likely to encourage pedophiles. So I feel it's unfair to knock one and allow the other, when the end result is really very similar.


I can understand that.
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby hasteroth » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:03 pm

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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby megaman917 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:51 pm

Word to the wise: avoid posting links to Sankaku.
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby hasteroth » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:53 pm

megaman917 wrote:Word to the wise: avoid posting links to Sankaku.


Ah... I didn't see that... Oops.
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby hasteroth » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:54 pm

Please remove that link! >.<
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby hasteroth » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:56 pm

Don't click the link >_<

[quote=Sanaku Complex ]Emboldened by their success in turning over the craven eroge industry, Japan’s own spineless politicians are once again obediently heeding international demands for a complete ban on artistic depictions of minors engaged in sexual activity.

The latest assault on the artistic freedoms guaranteed by the Japanese Constitution comes from the Komeito (”Clean Government Party”), which exclusively represents the interests of a Buddhist cult, the Sokka Gakkai, and consequently is a great fan of censorship and attempting to legislate public morality. UNICEF Japan honcho Agnes Chan herself is a member of the cult.

Responding to the usual outrageous international claims that Japan is causing child abuse and encouraging lolicon in other countries with its liberal laws on pornography, the Komeito obediently proclaimed that Japan should obey these demands:

“Being called ‘a child porn power’ is shameful and we must act to rectify this by an immediate revision of the law. The Diet must immediately consider such a revision.”
Domestic politicians often like to claim Japan “is out of step” or “lagging” compared to other countries when they wish to push through a policy, and in this case they have also been claiming it is “a national disgrace” to be defamed by feminists and their ilk.

They go on to make a lengthy screed against the evils of child pornography, as usual failing to register the fact that Japan is vastly more safe for children than any of the nations so concerned with banning the material.

Then they reveal the latest direction in their thought:

“Further, last month we conducted an investigation at Akihabara, looking at those games and similar depicting sexual violence which fall outside the scope of current laws, and how their sale might be restricted. We as a party are absolutely determined to pursue a revised law which lead to a complete elimination of child pornography.”
2ch wryly remarks that it is the Komeito who should be eliminated from Japanese politics.

In 2008, the laws against such pornography were stiffened, but the LDP dodged the messy issue of whether to ban 2D artistic depictions of sex involving minors by deferring judgement to a later date. The Komeito is clearly aiming to obtain immediate additional restrictions.

The Komeito is a minor party, but has long held disproportionate influence due to its willingness to ally with the ruling LDP. It remains to be seen whether the LDP will side with them in making further assaults on freedom of expression.

The recent self imposed ban on “rape” in adult games was imposed by an industry short-sightedly opting to secure the sales of the majority of companies by sacrificing the minority to appease the moralists.

The industry seems set to repeat this dismal calculus with loli and any other politically objectionable genres, and it is possible that manga, anime and who knows what else will fall prey to censors next, especially with politicians encouraged by the postiviely supine response seen so far.

As expected, the lack of any enthusiastic or organised opposition to creeping censorship has only emboldened those who would force their moralistic views onto society. It is a slippery slope and a long way down…
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby Ishbalan » Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:19 am

Special thanks to wurpess. You inspired a great closing argument for my essay.
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby hasteroth » Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:47 am

OMG. I read that one... Rori Ana right?
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby yuppa » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:34 pm

The little loli speaks the truth! LOL If it is on the net it is ALWAYS true! I saved that picture to it is just too funny to not save it and Meme it.
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby hasteroth » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:52 pm

That was one of my favourite Loli manga ^^
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby wurpess » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:13 pm

lol @ pic. :lol:



Ishbalan wrote:Special thanks to wurpess. You inspired a great closing argument for my essay.

Glad I could help. *^_^*
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby Sukunai » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:28 pm

OzzieAlThor79 wrote:Could someone explain to me why I should think it's okay to masterbate to girls that look like their 12-15 years old?

That would help me understand the points of view expressed in this thread up till now.


I'm not arguing in favour of loli, just so we are clear on that.
That said though, it's more a case of cultural acceptance in some cases and not whether it is right or wrong.

Granted, in my reality, which matters to me even if it matters to know one else, a 'child' is a person UNDER 13. Anyone 13 and older hasn't been labeled a child anywhere else, so I don't see the point of making it the case in this one instance (where sex is concerned). For instance, don't expect your 14 year old child to get a concession at a restaurant where children eat free. Oh you will be most assuredly told your child is really a youth/teen/minor, but sure not a child.

Child=kid and frankly loli=child=kid as far as I am concerned.

Kids generally are not sexually developed, sexually aware or sexually ready.

But I can assure you, today's 13/14/15/16/17 year olds are as sexually capable as any 20/30/40 year old.
How do I know? Oh I suppose it's all the knocked up 13-17 year olds that were knocked up by their 13-17 year old boyfriends.

What makes me laugh, is there is essentially no difference between a 13 year old and an 18/19 and 20 year old.
They're all capable of having sex, just not bright enough to know all the problems that come along with it.
Just because society has deemed an 18 year old magically more smarter/responsible than a 13-17 year old, doesn't make it a reality.

Now as for 40 year old guys that actually want to have sex with a 13 year old, hmm I think they are peculiar for a variety of reasons.
The most natable, being I wouldn't actually want a relationship with a 13 year old. I've been around enough teens in my life, I have a 15 year old son.
I can handle talking with them, and that usually takes a lot of effort.
Being intimately involved with one is just crazy, and doesn't even need for it to be illegal for it to be dumb.

I have to agree too, if you can get your rocks off to a picture of a naked imaginary child, you are no different than the guy getting off to the picture of the naked real child. Get over it. No one cares that the picture is imaginary.

But my refusal to agree that child extends beyond 12 is just my refusal to accept that 13-17 year olds are children.
Frankly, I'm used to calling anyone under 30 a child. I might even upgrade that to 40 in a few years.
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Postby hasteroth » Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:37 pm

Sukunai wrote:I'm not arguing in favour of loli, just so we are clear on that.

I am :ying:
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