AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby Koopiskeva » Fri May 22, 2009 1:13 pm

blabbler wrote:not all feedback is equal.


you racist.

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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby godix » Fri May 22, 2009 4:15 pm

Fall_Child42 wrote:I matter and know my shit.

I suggest you have 3d Extending flying boobies that twist like a vine on a hydro pole.

Now THAT'S good advice.

Also,

Use particle illusion to have small disembodied haruhi heads flying out of someone's gaping maw. May I suggest Keropi?

Normally I think you're full of shit, but this time you speak nothing but the truth.

Gaping maw should be the goats man.
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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby Ikore » Fri May 22, 2009 4:23 pm

well getting the idea is not the same a opinion like:

-OH GREAT, amuzing!

-I LUV NARU-HINA!

-mmm... i think you should work a little in your flow

-Great pace :up:

-OMFG! WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO US?!!!!


just as example :book:
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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby Nya-chan Production » Fri May 22, 2009 6:03 pm

Ikore wrote:well getting the idea is not the same a opinion like:

-OH GREAT, amuzing!

-I LUV NARU-HINA!

-mmm... i think you should work a little in your flow

-Great pace :up:

-OMFG! WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO US?!!!!


just as example :book:


I get lots of those.

Except NaruHina.

I should make some NaruHina vid to get those.

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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby Ikore » Fri May 22, 2009 6:07 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:|:


plz dont make that to us :(
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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby EvaFan » Fri May 22, 2009 7:21 pm

blabbler wrote:uninformed opinions are useful, up to a point. they can tell you what isn't working, but not why.

knowing what isn't working can help you make a given video better, but understanding why it isn't working will make you a better editor.

not all feedback is equal.


Agreed to a certain extent. Amv's are not a rocket science. Even uninformed people can see whats wrong or right through their eyes and determine what could be causing it. They may not be able to explain how to fix it through the editing program or overall process but that doesn't mean they can't explain why something bothered or was awesome to them. I would think as long as they have some common sense they can perceive things just as well as anyone who is well informed (their standards will obviously be lower but so what?) and offer sugguestions as to why it might of been wrong/right in their opinion. How effective they are would vary like I said earlier.

Now if it came to something mechanical in the amv like deinterlacing/AVSscripting/footage preparing, you would most likely need informed advice.
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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby Ijexis » Fri May 22, 2009 7:39 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:I should make some NaruHina vid to get those.

Onion Approves of NaruHina!
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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby dazza1008 » Fri May 22, 2009 10:59 pm

a few points -

a) when I'm editing, whether the people on the org FORUMS like it or not is pretty much farthest from my mind. I'm doing it for fun/entertainment. While I might keep some tech advice in mind (like beatsync), feedback about the content has sometimes been really dumb - usually from people who don't know the series as well as I do. So I take advice with a grain of salt, and it's not my goal to be like you guys. (I want to improve technically, though)

b) related to this, I don't announce every video I make. I only announce if I think someone here would like it, or if I want feedback on some technical issues.

c) I'd also found that if I don't like something, or I force in an effect because I think I 'should', then more than likely others won't like that part either. So trust your editing sense - you're the final judge. If advice rings true, then use it - if not, chuck it in the garbage with a clear conscience. Not everyone has the same tastes.
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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby trythil » Sun May 24, 2009 3:34 am

I just want to say a little about one of my videos that I think is relevant to this thread.

That video is urban suite. I had a lot of fun (well, retrospectively, I guess) with that video. I was

- using fringe-y audio (at least I think Ryoji Ikeda is "fringe")
- trying my hand at frenetic pacing (I hadn't cut that quickly before)
- playing with intentional footage degradation (digital master -> DV -> VHS -> old Sony 32" TV -> Handycam -> digital really goofs stuff up)
- integrating digital-era errors (the XviD decoder warning at the beginning, chroma plane misalignment, etc)
- integrating common test footage (the genlock and color bars graphics)
- augmenting the audio (those dissonant tone generators)

and a bunch of other stuff I can't remember. What I know is that I wasn't doing a lot of stuff that I had done before, so that's "unorthodox", at least on a personal level. (One thing about comparative adjectives: you always need context.)

As an aside, I don't know what rules I was following and what rules I was breaking, and I'm not proud of that; I'm sure there's a whole school of frenetic editing out there, and I really should know what knowledge base they've built up.

If I go by Google search results, urban suite is easily my most successful (read: "most recognized") solo video. Plural of anecdote is not data, etc., but, hey, people liked the weird stuff I did.

I guess what I'm trying to say is essentially what Beowulf already pointed out. So take this little post for what you will.
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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby Knowname » Mon May 25, 2009 4:07 am

so your saying what you made is a virus and by watching it it'll make our computers never watch amvs again. GREAT! Where does the line start!!

That's actually a brilliant idea that nobody could come up with but you. Now I'm really scared ~.~
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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby Otohiko » Sat May 30, 2009 1:16 pm

So let's step back for a second. I don't understand what this thread is going towards.

Is it that a) editing norms suck because I can do better; or b) editing norms suck because I'm too lazy to follow them?
I think there's a fine line here.

Otherwise as godix mentioned, a lot of this is really purely a brain thing. The brain is wired to perceive certain things as far as visual sync goes, and you can't get away from it. There's also the fact that by and large, the community is now also socially-wired to perceive certain things better than others. You can get up in a pose and complain about it, or you can spend a few hours learning and understand how to take such things into account.

Or you could take on upside-down-both-ways psychology towards this and make awesomecore :roll:
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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby Knowname » Sun May 31, 2009 12:54 pm

stepping out of the obvious doesn't really require work. especially in art, you could splatter paint on a canvas and call it an original masterpiece. Not really that easy, there's usually some kind of thought in at least the persuasive technique... But anyway you don't have to NOT be lazy to edit un-orthadoxically or whatever. I don't think we're talking about the same thing :)
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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby ZephyrStar » Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:59 pm

awesomecore is the

Spoiler :
future of AMV
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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby Fall_Child42 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:12 pm

ZephyrStar wrote:awesomecore is the

Spoiler :
future of AMV



Awesomecore is
Spoiler :
A sardine lensflare in the left eye of a florescent rice helicopter.
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Re: AMV's: Orthadox Editing Vs. Un-orthadox Editing

Postby Otohiko » Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:45 pm

Awesomecore will save the whales?
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