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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby DigitalPanther » Fri May 22, 2009 1:09 pm

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Not once did he correct me and said it wasn't because it was huffy. I also think that it is a bit unfair that I got a confirmation a week after the judging was over without given a chance to resubmit.


The please allow me to correct you now. Your video was NOT DQ'd because it was a huffy.
The issue appeared to be encoding errors which caused really bizarre video appearance. The only way to describe it without a screen shot would be to say it looked like Line art with massive smearing, desaturation, Hue shift mixed with a bad acid flashback.

Yours was not the only video to have this issue. There were two others. There were over 15 Huffy videos submitted (I am not going to go back and do an exact count). All but 3 of them (one of which was yours) played fine and did not have this issue.[edit for misytpe]

As I posted to you when you attempted to quote the possible resubmission rule back at me, The resubmission would have to have occurred and been in our possession BEFORE the ORIGINAL deadline as stated in the very section of the rules that you quoted to me in your email last night. By your own admission you sent it over night delivery on the day of the original deadline automatically making resubmission impossible.

This is one of the risks one takes when waiting till the last minute to submit their entry.

As I stated, I am genuinely sorry that there were issues with your video and I have offered you two possible resolutions. It is up to you which path you wish to go.

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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Scintilla » Fri May 22, 2009 1:42 pm

DigitalPanther wrote:
Kazemon15 wrote:Not once did he correct me and said it wasn't because it was huffy. I also think that it is a bit unfair that I got a confirmation a week after the judging was over without given a chance to resubmit.

The please allow me to correct you now. Your video was NOT DQ'd because it was a huffy.
The issue appeared to be encoding errors which caused really bizarre video appearance. The only way to describe it without a screen shot would be to say it looked like Line art with massive smearing, desaturation, Hue shift mixed with a bad acid flashback.

In the interest of this not happening to anyone else again: Kazemon15, you didn't encode it in the YV12 colorspace, did you? The official HuffYUV only ever supported RGB__ and YUY2.

Rider4Z wrote:personally, i don't see the reason for entering lossless videos to con in the first place. yeesss i understand you want your video played at the highest quality possible, but honestly when it's played ONE time onscreen and the only one who would notice the difference is you, is it really that important?

One? Anime Expo doesn't have multiple screenings of the contest? And besides, when the videos are up on such huge screens, someone's going to notice. MPEG-2 is a reasonable alternative, unless you know that the coordinator is going to transcode it to something else...

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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby DigitalPanther » Fri May 22, 2009 2:22 pm

Scintilla wrote:One? Anime Expo doesn't have multiple screenings of the contest? And besides, when the videos are up on such huge screens, someone's going to notice. MPEG-2 is a reasonable alternative, unless you know that the coordinator is going to transcode it to something else...

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Actually, for the first time in a long time. I have convinced the Programmin peeps to give us a second screening. It took a bit of wrangling. :)
This is where we will announce the winners as well.

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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Castor Troy » Fri May 22, 2009 2:57 pm

Looks like I'm in the clear, thanks Michael! :)
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Rider4Z » Fri May 22, 2009 2:59 pm

hey wow ^_^ a second screening! of all the videos or just the winners? :shock:

@scintilla - me personally speaking i don't think anyone's gonna notice because there won't be a lossless quality version for them to compare it too :| meh but i'm just digging a hole for myself now :book:
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Kazemon15 » Fri May 22, 2009 3:49 pm

DigitalPanther wrote:The please allow me to correct you now. Your video was NOT DQ'd because it was a huffy.
The issue appeared to be encoding errors which caused really bizarre video appearance. The only way to describe it without a screen shot would be to say it looked like Line art with massive smearing, desaturation, Hue shift mixed with a bad acid flashback.

O_o

I checked those files personally. They were in crystal clear quality. Maybe you can provide me with a screenshot? I checked them on three different computers. I spent 2 whole days encoding and re-encoding just to make sure it was top notch. I had to resave them about 4 times so there were no rainbows or anything.

Scintilla wrote:In the interest of this not happening to anyone else again: Kazemon15, you didn't encode it in the YV12 colorspace, did you? The official HuffYUV only ever supported RGB__ and YUY2.


I didn't do any colorspace to it.
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Rider4Z » Fri May 22, 2009 4:19 pm

maybe something happened when it was burned...?? :uhoh: did you check the files direct from the disk you sent in?

advice for the future (for everybody) i had two versions of one of my videos i sent in, xvid and x264 (i can't remember at the moment if i sent in both versions) BUT it'd be a good idea to send in back up versions in another format. i remember sending in a second (back-up) disk in the past. always a good idea to double up.

so in the future, include a back up disc with videos in another acceptable format. :amv:
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Kazemon15 » Fri May 22, 2009 4:22 pm

Rider4Z wrote:maybe something happened when it was burned...?? :uhoh: did you check the files direct from the disk you sent in?

advice for the future (for everybody) i had two versions of one of my videos i sent in, xvid and x264 (i can't remember at the moment if i sent in both versions) BUT it'd be a good idea to send in back up versions in another format. i remember sending in a second (back-up) disk in the past. always a good idea to double up.

so in the future, include a back up disc with videos in another acceptable format. :amv:



Yes, I checked the disks on three different computers. (Editing computer, my laptop, friend's laptop) It just ran slow, due to the large filesize. But the quality was top notch and it was all there.

Milkmandan suggested that the disks could have been damaged in the mail. <<
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Rider4Z » Fri May 22, 2009 5:04 pm

didn't think about that. that is so bizarre either way... :shock:
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby DigitalPanther » Sat May 23, 2009 1:52 am

Kazemon15 wrote:O_o

I checked those files personally. They were in crystal clear quality. Maybe you can provide me with a screenshot? I checked them on three different computers. I spent 2 whole days encoding and re-encoding just to make sure it was top notch. I had to resave them about 4 times so there were no rainbows or anything.


If I can I will attempt to get you a screen shot to illustrate what I am referring to. However, my schedule is very very hectic at the moment as we are now 30 days from con and I do have my normal job as well. However, if I can I will attempt to get you a screen shot.

Either way. Unfortunately, the long and short of it is this. This year is a wash for your entry. As I have stated multiple times I am genuinely sorry for this. I can only report what happened.

The lateness of my sending you the notification would not have made a difference since you waited till the last day to send them in the first place. This made it so there would not have been a way within the rules to resubmit it. I am genuinely interested in seeing your video, but putting it in this years contest is out of the question at this point. I am sorry.

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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Kazemon15 » Sat May 23, 2009 11:26 am

DigitalPanther wrote:
Kazemon15 wrote:O_o

I checked those files personally. They were in crystal clear quality. Maybe you can provide me with a screenshot? I checked them on three different computers. I spent 2 whole days encoding and re-encoding just to make sure it was top notch. I had to resave them about 4 times so there were no rainbows or anything.


If I can I will attempt to get you a screen shot to illustrate what I am referring to. However, my schedule is very very hectic at the moment as we are now 30 days from con and I do have my normal job as well. However, if I can I will attempt to get you a screen shot.

Either way. Unfortunately, the long and short of it is this. This year is a wash for your entry. As I have stated multiple times I am genuinely sorry for this. I can only report what happened.

The lateness of my sending you the notification would not have made a difference since you waited till the last day to send them in the first place. This made it so there would not have been a way within the rules to resubmit it. I am genuinely interested in seeing your video, but putting it in this years contest is out of the question at this point. I am sorry.

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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby outlawed » Sun May 24, 2009 10:46 am

TLDR version. You submitted at the deadline. Most contest techs will probably just click play and if it doesn't work move right onto the next one. Their time is more valuable than AMV creators usually consider. There are many things that can go wrong in terms of encoding a file. Over the course of my time with ACen I have actually demonstrated several flaws and reproduceable errors with files that creators thought were OK.

Kazemon15 wrote:I didn't do any colorspace to it.

The video file you saved has a color space associated with it. Either RGB or YUY2 in the case of Huffyuv v2.1.1

It would be useful to know specifically which you saved it as. If you don't know what this means you should re-read the huffyuv documentation and http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... space.html before you determine. Open the file in avisynth with info() can tell you what color space you're decompressing it in. You say you tested the file on 3 computers but what codec version of Huffyuv were you using and what software applications did you use? Do any of those software compensate for bad/corrupt avi files? Is your avi larger than 2GB? If so did you save it as opendml avi? What happens when you read the file you sent to them in avisynth and virtualdub? When you burned the disc did you verify it? Including a md5 or CRC never hurts.

I'm assuming AX tech has already tried enabling "Always suggest RGB format" in the event whatever they are using to read the file is getting confused by YUY2 output. With large avi files there is always the danger that something in the actual avi file is borked. Based on what he is describing it doesn't sound like a complete bad compression because if that was the case
1) kazemon would never have been able to play the file properly
2) AX would have reported the file as 100% garbage colors (color space conversion problem during encoding will always yield this)
3) What did AX see when inspecting the file with avisynth and virtualdub

Based on the circumstances discussed I would consider that Huffyuv v2.1.1 from http://neuron2.net/www.math.berkeley.ed ... ffyuv.html was not used by kazemon or the AX crew is not processing these files with that version on a PC with virtualdub or avisynth. Trying to range down the actual problem with the large window of possibilities remaining after eliminating the errors of using weird setups for huffyuv would take quite a while.
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Rider4Z » Sun May 24, 2009 12:37 pm

woo most of that went right over my head :shock:
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Inaaca » Sun May 24, 2009 4:44 pm

Eh, I understood some of it... I had a colorspace issue once and it made the colors in the export look inverted.
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby DigitalPanther » Sun May 24, 2009 5:24 pm

Rider4Z wrote:woo most of that went right over my head :shock:


I followed it pretty clearly. My primary player is Gomplayer but I also have the microsloth media player 11 and vlc. as well as premiere Pro CS4 and a few others. I have virtual dub but seldom use it, especially in regards to the amv contest. I used it this year to re join the split audio and video of one of the entrants (Thanks to Xstylus for walking me through that process. I usually just do that in Premiere). Its a good thing I did too because that vid ended up making the finals.

As for Kazemon's issue. If so desired, after con, I would be willing to try and investigate this further. Unfortunately I don't have the time precon to do it. between prep for AMVs, Being Division 2nd for the entirety of AVS/Vtech at AX, being Director/manager of the Main Events room, interacting with multiple management companies in prep for their concerts, A couple other somewhat time consuming positions in con, working tech for a second , albeit significantly smaller, con that is in two weeks and still maintaining my 40hr/week overnight job...time is...limited.
I don't list the above as a pity or sympathy tactic. If I didn't want to do those things and get a sense of accomplishment out of them I wouldn't do them. But it serves to explain why my time is a little limited till after con.

on a totally different tangent....I will be putting together the official version of the finalist list this evening and hope to have it up for you all either later tonight or tomorrow.
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