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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Castor Troy » Thu May 21, 2009 10:49 pm

DigitalPanther wrote:ALL EMAIL NOTIFICATIONS OR ENTRY RECEIPT HAVE BEEN SENT except for 2. Ben Chu (who knows I have them) and one entrant who didn't put an email address on their form. There were one or two that have bounced back to me as invalid email addresses so for the future please be sure to print your email address CLEARLY so I can be sure to enter it into the spreadsheet correctly.


I wonder if that bounced email was mine. :(
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Ryvannis » Thu May 21, 2009 10:54 pm

LittleAtari wrote:
DigitalPanther wrote:
LittleAtari wrote:I've heard that some huffy entries have been rejected because the file ran slow when you guys tried to play it....

You guys do realize that most computers cant playback a Huffy avi at 100% because of the size and that this issue can vary video to video?


Actually my comp plays Huffy fine. I actually love the quality it provides. I just hate the massive file size. 3GB for a 3 minute video feels a little extreme ya know? But it sure is pretty.
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It varies from video to video and even scene to scene. I can playback HD h264 MP4s very well, but if there's a scene with a lot of visual information, it will lag for that one scene. With Huffy, this makes it even harder on the computer.

EDIT: Heck I can playback lagarith files with no lag, if the video is simple/doesnt have rainbows flying everywhere.


I'm a bit curious too about this, even my godly (semi lol) can't play huffys at full speed, well not mines. :lol:

Castor Troy wrote:
DigitalPanther wrote:ALL EMAIL NOTIFICATIONS OR ENTRY RECEIPT HAVE BEEN SENT except for 2. Ben Chu (who knows I have them) and one entrant who didn't put an email address on their form. There were one or two that have bounced back to me as invalid email addresses so for the future please be sure to print your email address CLEARLY so I can be sure to enter it into the spreadsheet correctly.


I wonder if that bounced email was mine. :(


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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Vax » Thu May 21, 2009 11:15 pm

Huffy files are really hard on any computer to play. In general, regardless of codec, like LA said, it does vary scene to scene and video to video. If there is a lot of action going on, it will lag, especially if it is a huffy.


It's ridiculous that the largest anime convention in the US doesn't seem to know this.
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby AaronAMV » Thu May 21, 2009 11:36 pm

I'm having to agree with LA... Most computers can handle HuffyUV pretty well, unless there's a bunch of noise or effects. Granted, I can play a HuffyUV with no lag (even with a lot of effects), but an h264 codec will once and a while lag me more than a video with a HuffyUV codec. Also, I think it's pretty dumb, like Hagaren said, that you would be DQ'ing people for submitting HuffyUV when you can play it. A lot of people edit with Macs, and Lagarith isn't an accepted codec for Macs... You can only use HuffyUV if you want lossless editing.
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby DigitalPanther » Thu May 21, 2009 11:40 pm

Hagaren Viper wrote:
DigitalPanther wrote:Actually my comp plays Huffy fine. I actually love the quality it provides. I just hate the massive file size. 3GB for a 3 minute video feels a little extreme ya know? But it sure is pretty.
-Michael

I'm a little confused, if you can play Huffys ok, then why would any vids get DQ'd for being huffy? Was there anyone else doing the judging maybe? Because like what LittleAtari said, it does vary from video to video, and scene to scene, especially if there's a lot going on.


There were no DQs for huffy. Who told you there was?
I just said I prefer they not be submitted in that format if possible for size reasons. I never said a vid would be DQ'd for it. in point of fact off the top of my head two of the current front runners in my tallying of judges ballots were submitted in huffy.
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby DigitalPanther » Thu May 21, 2009 11:45 pm

Vax wrote:Huffy files are really hard on any computer to play. In general, regardless of codec, like LA said, it does vary scene to scene and video to video. If there is a lot of action going on, it will lag, especially if it is a huffy.


It's ridiculous that the largest anime convention in the US doesn't seem to know this.


Clarify please? Was that a stab? If so may I ask what prompted it? I am more than aware of the issues associated with Huffy. I am also aware of its benefits.
The actual preferred format for submission. for ease of compilation, is Mpeg2 because that way I don't have to retranscode the files for the presentation DVD. However. The options are given because every editor has their own preference.

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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby milkmandan » Thu May 21, 2009 11:48 pm

Vax wrote:Huffy files are really hard on any computer to play. In general, regardless of codec, like LA said, it does vary scene to scene and video to video. If there is a lot of action going on, it will lag, especially if it is a huffy.

I find it interesting that you believe Huffy files are really hard on any computer to play.
Give me the largest most complex huffy file, i'll play it with ZERO problems. Seriously. if you think huffy files are hard on any computer to play, you seriously need to get your hands on a better computer.
Uncompressed (RAW) video is harder to play than huffy.

Vax wrote:It's ridiculous that the largest anime convention in the US doesn't seem to know this.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions and make assumptions based on what other people say. I am sure Michael knows this. Now if Michael posts here and says: "We have DQed entries cuz of laggy play with huffyuv and we used an old computer". Then there might be beef, but sorry, no dice on this one. "When You Assume, You Make an Ass of U and Me"

AaronAMV wrote:Also, I think it's pretty dumb, like Hagaren said, that you would be DQ'ing people for submitting HuffyUV when you can play it. A lot of people edit with Macs, and Lagarith isn't an accepted codec for Macs... You can only use HuffyUV if you want lossless editing.

*sigh* one person says something that isn't even verified as true and people are already jumping ship and taking it for truth. wowzers. reflection of the masses?
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby LittleAtari » Fri May 22, 2009 12:17 am

milkmandan wrote:
Vax wrote:Huffy files are really hard on any computer to play. In general, regardless of codec, like LA said, it does vary scene to scene and video to video. If there is a lot of action going on, it will lag, especially if it is a huffy.

I find it interesting that you believe Huffy files are really hard on any computer to play.
Give me the largest most complex huffy file, i'll play it with ZERO problems. Seriously. if you think huffy files are hard on any computer to play, you seriously need to get your hands on a better computer.
Uncompressed (RAW) video is harder to play than huffy.

It's not just him who's saying that. :|
A lot of editors just said that they have problems playing huffy files.
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby s0matic » Fri May 22, 2009 12:23 am

LittleAtari wrote:It's not just him who's saying that. :|
A lot of editors just said that they have problems playing huffy files.


I don't have a problem as long as the audio isn't interleaved with the video.
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Kazemon15 » Fri May 22, 2009 12:35 am

milkmandan wrote:I find it interesting that you believe Huffy files are really hard on any computer to play.
Give me the largest most complex huffy file, i'll play it with ZERO problems. Seriously. if you think huffy files are hard on any computer to play, you seriously need to get your hands on a better computer.
Uncompressed (RAW) video is harder to play than huffy.




<< Some people don't have the luxury of affording a better computer.

DigitalPanther wrote:
There were no DQs for huffy. Who told you there was?


My editing computer plays all huffy files as slow as heck. It hates huffy, simple as that. When I tried them on my laptop, they played just fine. I sent in those same files. I got this as my confirmation:

Unfortunately both of your video entries were disqualified for technical issues. There appeared to be serious encoding issues causing the video to be unwatchable. I tested it with multiple players on three separate PCs. I apologize for the inconvenience this may cause you. You are welcome to re-enter them into next year’s contest after correcting the tech issues.


Now I don't know what technical difficulties there were, but all I can think of is that it's because it was a huffy file. I saved it as a data disk. I emailed him back, saying this:

Is it possible to send a resubmission to watch them properly? I was
going to send them in lagarith, but you said you do not accept it.
Huffy does horrible on my computer but it was the only one I could do on
the submissions encoding list. I thought the technical issues were only
due to my computer, since it does not accept huffy at all.


He replied:

Unfortunately Judging was completed last weekend. I am just really behind on
sending out the receipt notifications (things are hella hectic for Expo this
year) so submitting them now the most I might be able to do would be get
them in Preshow and I can't guarantee that. If you want to I would suggest
just re-rendering them as Mpeg2 (which they all end up as anyway for
presentation) and I can try and put one of them in the PreShow but it is too
late for judging for this years contest. I am deeply sorry.


Not once did he correct me and said it wasn't because it was huffy. I also think that it is a bit unfair that I got a confirmation a week after the judging was over without given a chance to resubmit.
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Inaaca » Fri May 22, 2009 12:42 am

Kazemon15 wrote:Not once did he correct me and said it wasn't because it was huffy. I also think that it is a bit unfair that I got a confirmation a week after the judging was over without given a chance to resubmit.


That sucks... :\

I'm still hanging in limbo wondering what even happened to my entries...
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Hofuzz » Fri May 22, 2009 12:58 am

Castor Troy wrote:I wonder if that bounced email was mine. :(


It was probably mine....

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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby milkmandan » Fri May 22, 2009 1:18 am

in light of kazemon's situation, i take back what i said... :\
that is unfortunate kazemon.
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however i do stand by my point on viewing huffy files.
I doubt michael is using a bad computer to view the files.
I know personally that if anything, there are many machines available to his disposal that are well equipped to play huffyuv content.
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Sephiroth » Fri May 22, 2009 7:26 am

I submitted Huffy and got a confirmation. There was no complaining of any sort over the usage of it. Hope that there's fewer issues. And thanks agian for the quick response guys.
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Re: Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2009 now open!

Postby Rider4Z » Fri May 22, 2009 11:46 am

i remember last year DP mentioned how the huffy sizes could get pretty rediculous, so this year i entered in either xvid or x264 just to make it easier on him :| and all vids this year were said to play fine.

personally, i don't see the reason for entering lossless videos to con in the first place. yeesss i understand you want your video played at the highest quality possible, but honestly when it's played ONE time onscreen and the only one who would notice the difference is you, is it really that important?

after all, if the video itself is entertaining, voters at the convention aren't going to bitch about how sharp the quality is--we have the .org for that XD
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