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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby AaronAMV » Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:27 pm

Nevermind, I figured it out. I ended up importing the video track to VDub, adding audio there, exporting it as Huffy, and making a script with that Huffy. Then I just added it to Zarx and everything worked out. Thanks though. ^^
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby Rhyzel » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:29 pm

Hi,

Not sure if this has already been addressed, but I think I found a broken link in the guide. Under the section "AmvApp - What it is and why it is important." The 'this page' link seems to be linking to a local file on Alan's PC :-P

Premiere AVS Import Plugin

If the installer does not automatically detect your Premiere Plugins folder, you will need to select it yourself. When it asks you if you want to configure the settings for the plugin, you can skip it for now if you like, as it will be covered later on. If you would like to go ahead and configure it though, see this page for more information.
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby Rhyzel » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:31 pm

And I forgot to give my thanks for such an in depth guide. Although it's long... I am enjoying every bit of it and it makes me want to continue reading :-)
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:11 pm

I just did some test encodes with ZarxGUI, and i'm impressed. Kinda concerned that a 2:11 vid at Q18 comes in under 17MB though. Maybe not "concerned" so much as I don't believe something with actual visual quality can be that small, and i'm doubting others will either. :lol:
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby Scintilla » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:40 pm

On videogetb.html, near the top of the page, the link to the Adaptec ASPI package is out of date. The new link should be:
http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/support/_e ... ASPI-4.70/
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby Zarxrax » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:47 am

Scintilla wrote:On videogetb.html, near the top of the page, the link to the Adaptec ASPI package is out of date. The new link should be:
http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/support/_e ... ASPI-4.70/


I doubt that should even be necessary anymore, so I'll just remove it.
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby Zarxrax » Sat May 09, 2009 2:05 pm

Preview version:
http://zarxrax.kicks-ass.net/avtechbeta/index.html

Everything should be pretty much completed now except the Aspect Ratios and Frame Sizes page, and a few pages which are dependent on amvapp stuff.
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby Zarxrax » Sat May 09, 2009 4:05 pm

And I went ahead and finished the resizing page. http://zarxrax.kicks-ass.net/avtechbeta ... atios.html
I would like feedback on this, because resizing is one of the most complex subject for me to understand, and I don't want to mislead people with bad info.

With that, all I need to do is make the amvapp... could be a few more years...
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby Dime_fan3 » Sun May 10, 2009 7:20 am

Thanks Zarxax, I'm not sure how many people tell you this but the work you put into this is much appreciated. I thinking of learning this stuff from scratch (again) so an updated version will be a big help.
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby Qyot27 » Sun May 10, 2009 3:17 pm

Zarxrax wrote:And I went ahead and finished the resizing page. http://zarxrax.kicks-ass.net/avtechbeta ... atios.html
I would like feedback on this, because resizing is one of the most complex subject for me to understand, and I don't want to mislead people with bad info.

Three things I could see:

1) I'd recommend stressing that determining proper aspect/cropping is easiest if it is 1:1 - the bolded sentence is a good reminder, but perhaps elaborate on why it's easier with 1:1. If you know that DVDs only come in 4:3 or 16:9 (because even though MPEG-2 does support 2.21:1 flags, the DVD standard does not), and you know what the proper 1:1 size is for your region when dealing with those frame geometries (640x480, 848x480, 720x576, 1024x576), you can pre-resize the video, and then the cropped size is already in the correct ratio and it can be resized proportionally to the desired final resolution without issue.

Since AviSynth is being used, this is primarily for determining a proper end size, and the first resize function can be eliminated (and the crop values fit for the non-adjusted video). Unless of course there's no compunction against having two bouts of resize functions in the script.

2) The low resolution = always low quality comparison bugs me. Mainly because it's too general - "what constitutes 'low resolution'?", being the main issue there. I equate bad compression efficiency with bad quality, not smaller frame sizes (but then again, I started out watching videos that were mostly 352x240 MPEG-1s, VCD-compliant or not). There has to be a standard to judge by when saying 'low resolution' - is it 352x240, 480x360, 512x288, 512x384, 640x352, etc.? I included 640x352 in there because while it still is rather standard, it would still be deemed 'small' when compared to 704x396, 736x468, and so on (as those have taken the place of 640x352 once acted in, as H.264 has allowed 848x480 to become the nominal 16:9 standard resolution it always was).

3) A little expansion on mod16 might be in order, primarily concerning any borders that need to be put back on the video, such as for manual letterboxing in the event using a 16:9 flag isn't an option. 640x368 may be a mod16 res, but to make it 640x480, neither of the borders - if the same amount of pixels on both sides - are. Either the top or bottom would need 8 more border pixels than the other, or you need to use 640x352 instead (as 640x352 is also mod16, and both of the borders are as well).


However, I don't know how to necessarily make those explanations concise or clear enough if you're aiming for a more-or-less beginner level introduction.
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby mirkosp » Sun May 10, 2009 4:17 pm

Qyot27 wrote:1) I'd recommend stressing that determining proper aspect/cropping is easiest if it is 1:1 - the bolded sentence is a good reminder, but perhaps elaborate on why it's easier with 1:1. If you know that DVDs only come in 4:3 or 16:9 (because even though MPEG-2 does support 2.21:1 flags, the DVD standard does not), and you know what the proper 1:1 size is for your region when dealing with those frame geometries (640x480, 848x480, 768x576, 1024x576), you can pre-resize the video, and then the cropped size is already in the correct ratio and it can be resized proportionally to the desired final resolution without issue.

Fix'd. 4:3 with a 1.0 PAR with PAL footage is 768x576. 720x576 is just the standard resolution with the proper PAR set. :P

3) A little expansion on mod16 might be in order, primarily concerning any borders that need to be put back on the video, such as for manual letterboxing in the event using a 16:9 flag isn't an option. 640x368 may be a mod16 res, but to make it 640x480, neither of the borders - if the same amount of pixels on both sides - are. Either the top or bottom would need 8 more border pixels than the other, or you need to use 640x352 instead (as 640x352 is also mod16, and both of the borders are as well).


I've been wondering about the mod16 issue as of lately... that's 'cause 1080p isn't mod16 - the mod16 res would be 1088, hence why on blu-ray discs the actual resolution is 1088, and gets cropped by 8 over playback, or, well, that's to my understanding. Despite of that, I do see a lot of actual 1920x1080 videos all over the internet - it's just a standard resolution. So my point would be, as long as it's at least mod8 there shouldn't be any issue. Of course mod16 is still recommended, but if it's mod8, I think it's still fine, especially when it comes to "standard" mod8 resolutions.
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby Qyot27 » Sun May 10, 2009 10:11 pm

mirkosp wrote:Fix'd. 4:3 with a 1.0 PAR with PAL footage is 768x576. 720x576 is just the standard resolution with the proper PAR set. :P

Whoops. At least I got the 16:9 value right.

I've been wondering about the mod16 issue as of lately... that's 'cause 1080p isn't mod16 - the mod16 res would be 1088, hence why on blu-ray discs the actual resolution is 1088, and gets cropped by 8 over playback, or, well, that's to my understanding. Despite of that, I do see a lot of actual 1920x1080 videos all over the internet - it's just a standard resolution. So my point would be, as long as it's at least mod8 there shouldn't be any issue. Of course mod16 is still recommended, but if it's mod8, I think it's still fine, especially when it comes to "standard" mod8 resolutions.

Mod8 is fine for H.264 (or at least passable), and I think ASP is okay with it also, but it might not be for MPEG-2, which is what would probably be used in instances that manual letterboxing is likely to be necessary (convention submissions mainly; mixing ratios would be another reason to letterbox, but I don't really see mixed-ratio vids getting more common since most everything now is in 16:9 anyway*).

*Yes, I'm aware of broadcast delays, but the point being that the 16:9 versions still get broadcast later on or show up on the DVDs.
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby Aneino_Kaijin » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:40 am

Might be a dumb question, but were some of the options under cleanup (Especially deinterlacing) taken out with the updated version of Ermac and Absolute Destiny's guide? And if so, is the old version still available somewhere for download?
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby Willen » Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:19 am

Aneino_Kaijin wrote:Might be a dumb question, but were some of the options under cleanup (Especially deinterlacing) taken out with the updated version of Ermac and Absolute Destiny's guide? And if so, is the old version still available somewhere for download?

The old versions are linked to in the description of AbsoluteDestiny & ErMaC's Technical Guides to All Things Audio and Video mk3 here: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/

For your convenience, here are the links:
v2: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/
v1: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtechold/
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Re: NEW Guides and AmvApp BETA

Postby Zarxrax » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:42 am

The deinterlacing options are mostly all still there, but I have now tried to simplify them all under the "AMVDeint" avisynth function. On the page dealing with interlacing, it still mentions the actual filters and settings that are recommended.
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