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Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby Vax » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:37 pm

Well I'm getting them both for 149.99. The price got me scared in the sense that it's not good. I'm hoping I'm not lucking out on this. Do you guys consider them a well-rounded version of this program or what? I've read reviews and they seem ok. I just want an AMV'ers point of view now. I have a feeling I would regret if I buy it.

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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby Krisqo » Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:41 am

The elements series of Premiere and Photoshop are the "lite" series. I used Photoshop Elements 2.0 for a while and it worked pretty good for some masking but it was a pain to make smooth edges and accurate cuts and all. I've never touched Premiere Elements, but from what I've read, it is stripped down and you have a limited amount of video/audio tracks you can use.

In essence, these programs are designed for people who want to touch up digital photos they have taken and smash up a home movie. Not people who want to do full fledged effect whore editing or serious Photoshopping work.
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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby Vax » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:07 pm

Krisqo wrote:In essence, these programs are designed for people who want to touch up digital photos they have taken and smash up a home movie. Not people who want to do full fledged effect whore editing or serious Photoshopping work.

Seems like they were wrong about the number of tracks. You can have about 50+. But anyways, I bought it and I'm really confused. When I enter my video it's all pixelated ad other problems. I need some serious tutorials :|
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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby GloryQuestor » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:00 am

Vax wrote:Seems like they were wrong about the number of tracks. You can have about 50+. But anyways, I bought it and I'm really confused. When I enter my video it's all pixelated ad other problems. I need some serious tutorials :|


Make sure your source video is IVTC'd before you start. This is especially important if you want to use direct AVISynth scripts with Premiere Elements. Don't worry too much if even your best source looks a bit interlaced or pixelated in Premiere's viewer--the viewer is more or less lying to you. It'll look better on the way out (depending on how you encode the export, of course).

My procedure with Premiere Elements has been to import either AVISynth script (with the latest Premiere AVISynth plugin) or Lagarith Lossless Codec footage -- trust nothing else to work as well as those two for source footage. For export, I always use MPEG-2 exporting so that I can then index the file to fix up the Aspect Ratio later in VDubMod. You can also use Lagarith Lossless Codec, providing you have the latest version of the codec, then create an AVISynth file in VDubMod to fix the AR. Either way works, but I prefer the former export method most.
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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby Vax » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:56 am

When I go to the rendering it's only good export was uncompressed. :? At least that's what I see. If you need a screenshot i'll post one.
The bigger pain is actually trying to start to edit. Simple things I could of done in Vegas mess up massively on Premiere.
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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby GloryQuestor » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:29 pm

Based on how it was done in the last version of Premiere Elements, all you have to do is go to the "Share" tab, then select "MPEG" for export to MPEG-2. For Lagarith, go to File -> Export -> Movie, select "Microsoft AVI" as the filetype, and select "Lagarith Lossless Codec" in the dropdown box under the "Video" options.

btw, go ahead and post a few screenshots with anything you don't understand, and I'll help you out best I can. :)
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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby Vax » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:42 pm

Well for one, crossfading. Everytime I try to crossfade it just pushes the clip :|. Second, keyframes. Well basically anything that would be helpful to a new editor, even though I'm not new :?
And another thing I forgot to mention. I was just testing the rendering on Premiere and 2 seconds estimated to 1 hour and 54 seconds of rendering with uncompressed. Is it supposed to take that long?
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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby Krisqo » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:20 am

over an hour to render two seconds? You replicating Skittles there? :shock:

Render time depends on a number of factors but mostly processor speed and ram. The more you have the better. For example. When I was running mu P4 2.8 GHz processor, an average export would take about 20-30 mins. My new Core 2 Duo 3.12 GHz takes just a little shorter. But it is shorter. From what I hear, Triple and even Quad processors are much faster, but I've never used one of those so I can't verify.

For keyframing. If it works like my versions of premiere, just go to where you can place the keyframes (effects control or something like that). Scrub to where you want the effect to start if you want to apply it over time, like a color fade to gray. If you see something like a stopwatch, click that to set the beginning keyframe. Scrub to where you want the effect to end. Change the necessary parameters (in this case hue and saturation). A second keyframe should be automatically applied.
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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby AaronAMV » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:35 pm

Considering you have 512 mb of ram... I can see it taking that long.

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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby Krisqo » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:10 pm

AaronAMV wrote:Considering you have 512 mb of ram... I can see it taking that long.

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Actually I think those are the programs minimal system requirements. :|
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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby Vax » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:46 pm

I didn't test out the keyframing yet. Mostly because photoshop is 10x easier and fun. One thing I need right now for a school assignment is cross-fading. It just doesn't work. It pushes the clip. Does it have to be done by layers or something? One more thing are the presets in the beggining while seting up your project. They put down 720x480 as 4:3. I couldn't find a way to make it 640X480. It's not that big of an issue since I can export 640x480, but it will be nice to know how to work with that. I guess that's it for now. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby GloryQuestor » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:22 pm

Vax wrote:One thing I need right now for a school assignment is cross-fading. It just doesn't work. It pushes the clip. Does it have to be done by layers or something?


You could use the Transition Effect "Cross Dissolve", but the manual way is more instructive:

To fade out one clip on one video line while another clip on the video line above is faded in, find the two areas where you want to cross dissolve; then, right-click and use Fade Out Video on the clip before the transition and Fade In Video on the clip after. Line up the two keyframe spots that begin / end the fades to whatever point you would like, as long as the fade out begins at the same moment your fade in begins. If they do not, then you end up with a transition that isn't a "cross" fade.

Vax wrote:One more thing are the presets in the beggining while seting up your project. They put down 720x480 as 4:3. I couldn't find a way to make it 640X480. It's not that big of an issue since I can export 640x480, but it will be nice to know how to work with that.


There isn't much you can do, sadly. The only two Aspect Ratio presets are 4:3 and 16:9. However, I do not recommend ever using the latter one, as the 16:9 option is very hard to work with in post-production. So, work with and export your video with the 4:3 AR.

After you export (preferably in MPEG-2 or AVI), index the MPEG-2 (if you used that as your export), then open VirtualDubMod. If you used AVI, go ahead and use File --> Open Video as AVISynth... and select your AVI video with AVISource (Default) selected. Otherwise, open the AVISynth script used to index the MPEG-2. Either way, now you have AVISynth script access which will be able to clean up any lingering problems and resize the video to either AR -- both 4:3 and 16:9. Then save your release builds from VDubMod (or your release sources for MP4 conversion).
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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby Vax » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:23 pm

I'm getting used to it alot now. The school project helped me test some stuff out. :up: But is there anyway you can get .wmv as a format in there, because my computer teacher's camera imports as .wmv and exporting as .avi causes some glitches. The rendering, I realized I did it wrong the first time. I set the marker to render the whole movie. My ram was fine. It exported a 5 minute 720p .avi in 30-45 minutes. I also saw they didn't have mpeg-2 as an exporting option. Is there a way to get/load extensions to export with? Some of the file formats they had were pretty stupid.
And wouldn't another way to crossfade be just by making the bottom clip fade out, and putting a clip above it and make it fade in, but it would have to be in the middle of the fade out? I don't like cross-dissolving. It looks sort of ugly.
Thanks a bunch GloryQuestor. I owe you big time. I guess I'm an Adobe Premiere user now :?
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Re: Views on Adobe Premiere&Photoshop Elements 7

Postby Vax » Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:03 pm

Instead of making a new thread, I'll save the space and post my problem here. When I export in any format. I get this glitch.
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Is this easily fixable?
Thanks in advanced.
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