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Opions about originality

Postby Bluemantis » Mon Nov 18, 2002 10:57 pm

I was looking at a few opions given to some of the videos and I feel that their is an unjust rating on originality. I personally feel that originality should not be judged by how often an anime is used in a video, but instead on how was it done.

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Postby Sierra Lorna » Mon Nov 18, 2002 11:44 pm

That's how it's supposed to be done. A video should never be judged by how "overused" its anime is. An overused anime and song combination, though is another story... I can't say that I won't score low on a DBZ/Linkin Park AMV. :wink: Unless of course, you did something completely new and different with it.
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Postby leathelanime » Tue Nov 19, 2002 1:02 am

Well sometimes people give High rateings in orig because they never seen the song or anime in play or the style the video was visioned as. Now most people tend to look at the List of anime's and then demarit or points there which I think is unfair. I say you should rate the videos on your count and not everyone elses.
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Postby Tom the Fish » Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:43 am

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/legacy/ ... guide3.htm

I agree. Originality should be judged on how often the _idea_ has been done, not the source.

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Postby OmniStrata » Tue Nov 19, 2002 2:08 pm

I think it's best to score Originality on song/anime combo...

All the genres copy each other so what's the point?

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If the anime is overdone, but the song brand new, then yep, it will lose a point or 3 from me...

Is it Linkin' Bark? Oh yeah, -5 baby!

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Re: Opions about originality

Postby Wonka » Tue Nov 19, 2002 3:07 pm

Bluemantis wrote:I was looking at a few opions given to some of the videos and I feel that their is an unjust rating on originality. I personally feel that originality should not be judged by how often an anime is used in a video, but instead on how was it done.

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I couldnt agree more. I make it a point NEVER to judge on anime, or song, but rather how it was executed, if the techniques used were original or seldom used, if the idea is original, effects etc, but never ever on anime/song.

The whole thing about reviews is that you are judgeing the technical merits od the video, AS WELL as giving your opinion, but people loose site of that very quickly.
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Postby (NERD Studios) Arturo » Tue Nov 19, 2002 3:44 pm

The biggest improvement that I think most people could make in their opinion-giving is to outline why they gave all the numerical ratings that they did somewhere in the text of the opinion, probably in the general comments. Originality is just one of the often unexplained numbers that an opinion giver will throw at you. I've often wondered what different people's standards for capture are as well. I.E. if your video is DVD-quality except for some artifacts that slipped through for about half a second, what rating would you deserve?
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Postby Zarxrax » Tue Nov 19, 2002 3:56 pm

I agree, you shouldn't judge based on anime/music combo. However, not to say that I don't take it into account AT ALL, but definately you should put much more weight onto things like the editing styles, effects, and general idea of what the creator was trying to do with their video. Maybe they used an anime and song that have both never been used, but then their editing technique was just run of the mill same old stuff you see everywhere. I doubt I could give over a 7 or 8 for a video like that in originality. However even if they make a likin ball z video, if they do thins with it that I never would have expected (and it works!) then thats definately getting a high originality score!
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Postby Bluemantis » Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:34 am

I know how everyone fell about the dbz/linkinpark over flow, because I feel the same type of redundancy. I have a phobea of anyhing that has the title "In the End". :lol:
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Postby The Wired Knight » Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:38 am

That is how it's supposed to be judged. Of course something else factors into originality and that is concept. so it's not just what song and anime combination you did but also how you employed it.
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Postby Nappy » Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:45 am

If I make a dbz vid with star wipes instead of dissolves will that be original? :wink:
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Postby The_Mad_Hatter » Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:06 am

There's kinda two sides to this from what I can see. On the one hand most "knock off" or "copy cat" videos tend to just be shitty. Let's not kid ourselves here, I can't even remember when I last downloaded a GOOD DBZ AMV...in fact I don't think I've EVER downloaded a DBZ AMV that I would give over a 7 overall.

And then on the other hand If I see a DBZ/Linkin Park AMV or any overly used idea I think I hold it to a much higher standard than if I were to download a lesser used combination. And it's not always just about the music/anime, but sometimes just within the anime itself. I mean I've seen dozens upon dozens upon DOZENS of Neon Genesis vids that pretty much all used the same 25 clips. Sometimes I get the impression that people are just ass raping other peeps vids for parts and then slappin on their favorite song. o_O

On another note there are also some peeps like me who like to do "remakes". In fact my first two videos are both based conceptually on two other AMVs that I found (used the same anime and music). Both of which I thought were absolutely horrible in design and implementation, but the underlying concept was really good. Personally, I think it'd be possible to have a REALLY incredible DBZ/Linkin Park video...I just haven't seen it yet. At some point here soon though, I may just decide to take a crack at it. *shrugs*
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Postby Aetherfukz » Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:43 am

Well I always try to be as objective as I can when reviewing videos. But that's the prob with human being - noone can ever be truly objective. But that's another matter...
Anways, I usually don't take into consideration if I like the song used of if I don't. I mean, like DJ Fritz' Beboppin' video with that Lalala-song from Kylie Hottie Minogue. Oh how I hate that song. But when watching the video, I enjoy the song, because the video and the song are kinda made for each other.

And for the overused Anime/Songs... well... if the way the video is done was used many times before, I'm sure to score much lower. But when it is something special, it doesn't matter to me if the combination is already overused. Like the one Linkin Park - In the end - End of Evangelion video (don't remember the title right now).

As always, just my 2 (euro)cent... :wink:
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Postby Sub0 » Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:45 am

Tom the Fish wrote:http://www.animemusicvideos.org/legacy/opinionguide/guide3.htm

I agree. Originality should be judged on how often the _idea_ has been done, not the source.

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orig shouldn't be how often anything imo.... it should be how well it displays what the song/ title is ABOUT (never heard somebody say 'now THAT'S original, they mean the topic fits with the title etc. so well that it's SICK). If it was how often something was you'd be changing it every three months!
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Postby Bluemantis » Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:10 pm

Aetherfukz wrote:Anways, I usually don't take into consideration if I like the song used of if I don't. I mean, like DJ Fritz' Beboppin' video with that Lalala-song from Kylie Hottie Minogue. Oh how I hate that song. But when watching the video, I enjoy the song, because the video and the song are kinda made for each other.


When I wrote this form Beboppin' was on of the songs that made me think, I was starting to see the cowboy bebo videos overflow. It was DJ Fritz' Beboppin' and Taskmaster's Phatty girl videos that made me think, "Hey two great videos and completely origanal ideas without getting tired of the anime". You can wacth both these videos back to back and it wont feel redundant.
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