I'm Spoilin' for a Fight!!!

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I'm Spoilin' for a Fight!!!

Postby EarthCurrent » Sat Nov 16, 2002 1:22 am

'Kay, I am now truly ^%$# off so I need to rant a bit. :evil:

There has got to be a way to disallow people from writing reviews and scoring their own videos.

I'm been clicking on a lot of vids as of late to see who has been reviewing them, and to my disgust a great deal of vids have reviews, often the only review, posted by their own creators.

Come on, if the creator has something to say about the video, they should be restricted to the comments portion when they list their video to this site.

To me it almost seems hypocritical to grade one's own work. Sure, a great number of us might be able to believably give a video we have made an honest score, but at the same time, a creator is simply too close to the work to be trusted to give it a score that will mean something to those looking to reviews to help them decide if a video is worth downloading or not. Either the creator will be hard on themselves, and give it average scores, or more likely, they will revel in their self-percieved genius and give themselves 9 and 10s.

I'd almost be tempted to say that people within the same "studio" shouldn't be able to review each others works for the purpose of this site, but that might be taking things to far. I don't know, though.

People, chime in here and tell me what you think.
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Postby Nappy » Sat Nov 16, 2002 3:39 am

I saw one grade themself and made did it public :shock:
10s and 2 9s and they weren't for capture and sound, so I guess a bitrate lower than my mp3s is a 10. a 9 on effects cuz there was none. 9 on effort (hey don't be too hard on yourself). Yes this is a dbz vid, and yes it has subtitles, and no its not their first, and I didn't watch it long enough to see a single edit, and yes its on the top 10% list :roll:
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Postby Zarxrax » Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:25 am

Phade has stated before that he thinks people ought to be able to leave reviews on their own videos... I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to create a rule such that your own reviews don't count toward the top 10%?
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Postby The Wired Knight » Sat Nov 16, 2002 12:42 pm

well the all tens are ruled out for the top 10% according to Phade so that shouldn't be a problem. Honestly I think it is in poor taste to review your own video and thus skew the data. However I honestly think that the review made by oneself should be locked out from becoming one of the public reviews considering how partial it is :roll:
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Postby EarthCurrent » Sat Nov 16, 2002 12:43 pm

Zarxrax wrote:Phade has stated before that he thinks people ought to be able to leave reviews on their own videos... I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to create a rule such that your own reviews don't count toward the top 10%?


Mmmhmmm, yeah, that's my primary gripe, Zarxrax. People are posting super reviews of their own vids to get them bumped into the top 10% lists. There's already too much monkey business going on with people trying to get themselves onto the top 10 lists without having to deal with this. It's just like movie reviews, I'm not going to trust a review written by the studio that made a movie, since it is in their interest to paint a positive picture of the movie. The same is slightly true for AMVs though more often than not it is ego and bragging rights that creators are looking for, and since most people don't check to see who reviewed a video in order to create it's composite score, this practice of writing reviews for one's own video is especially ripe for exploitation.

If a AMV creator wants to sell me on a video they have made they should try to do so in the description of the video. This whole, "I made the video in 4 days. It's Great. Download it!" type of the description I see from time to time is total BS as it doesn't tell me anything, and then they try and offset this shortcoming by writing an awesome review, for which they merely give themselves high scores, but take little effort to describe the videos good and bad points.

Where's the attempt at critical self improvement? And I'm sure it is for this reason that Phade lets people write reviews of their own videos: so they will be critical and try and improve themselves. However, I'm not really seeing any attempts at this. The system, as I see it, is being expoited for the wrong reasons, and that's why I'm being such a gripe.
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Sat Nov 16, 2002 6:05 pm

Actually, if I was to review my own vides, I would probably give my self too many low scores anyway....

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Postby Nappy » Sat Nov 16, 2002 6:53 pm

The Wired Knight wrote:well the all tens are ruled out for the top 10% according to Phade so that shouldn't be a problem.


Not exactly, he's doing a olympics type of thing so for every 5 ops the highest and lowest are dropped, and the rest averaged. So a high vote on yourself will cancel out a low vote from someone else. The one I was talking about didn't even have 5 ops.

Vlad G Pohnert wrote: Actually, if I was to review my own vides, I would probably give my self too many low scores anyway....


Any good creator is their own worst critic.
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Re: I'm Spoilin' for a Fight!!!

Postby Wonka » Sat Nov 16, 2002 7:05 pm

earthcurrent wrote:I'm Spoilin' for a Fight!!!


What is "spoilin'"? ;)

In any case, Ive never agreed with rating your own vids, but since thats a personal descision I make to not "falsify" my scores (though Im with Vlad in that I would give myself some harsh reviews, simply because I KNOW when I messed up where as joe blow may think it was intentional ;) ), I realy dont get upset if others do it, as its only they who dont get accurate and helpfull feedback.

Just my 2 cents ;)
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Postby EarthCurrent » Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:12 pm

Wonka wrote:
earthcurrent wrote:I'm Spoilin' for a Fight!!!


What is "spoilin'"? ;)



M'kay, I figure I'm showing off my quaint Western speach. Growing up in Wyoming does that to a person I done reckon. :wink:

In this case, spoiling is acting as an intransitive verb within the sentence. It's definition in this case is, Spoiling: to have an eager desire.

It's sorta like: I'm itchin' for a tussle!

Or maybe nobody tussles anymore. I don' know...
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Postby EarthCurrent » Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:21 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Actually, if I was to review my own vides, I would probably give my self too many low scores anyway....

Vlad


I don't review my own videos 'cause I figure God would smite me or something.

Darren: Hehehe, I deserve all 10s!!! :twisted:
God: I saw that, Darren! [blasts Darren with lightening reducing him to a pile of ash]
Pile of Ash: ???!!!

Besides, if I know what is wrong with my videos I'd probably just tell everyone in my comments section, that way I can ask for possible recomendations if I think it is something I need feedback on.

But this whole review yourself thing its bad karma all round.
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Postby priuscomet » Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:48 pm

some ppl don't care..

me, i don't care. i just think those who do it are seriously that much of a looser that they need to review thier own vids just to put more comments or raise the opinion count. :? i've seen some of them even reply to their own reviews.

but really... i'm surprised at all that you LOOK at all the reviews for a certain vid and see who scored it and it and how. :? i can understand the whole "i'll get an idea for my opinion and maybe make my review better thing..." but really, you should come up with what you feel/think of the vid without outside resources to influence you real judgement on teh vid.

also, why does it matter so much that they left a review for themselves? really though, what have they done to piss you off so much and irritate you becuase they left a review for their own vid. :? they do what they do. you should do what you do. i dont' really understand how this would hurt you in any way or why you should be upset about a total stranger playing narcisis and reviewing their own vid. it affects/effects you in now way shape or form. :? so..chill already. leave the vid a review if you must..but complaining about how a creator makes a review for himself really isn't getting you or anyone else anywhere.

:shrugs: well, its your deal...
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Postby EarthCurrent » Sat Nov 16, 2002 11:52 pm

priuscomet wrote:some ppl don't care..

also, why does it matter so much that they left a review for themselves? really though, what have they done to piss you off so much and irritate you becuase they left a review for their own vid. :? they do what they do. you should do what you do. i dont' really understand how this would hurt you in any way or why you should be upset about a total stranger playing narcisis and reviewing their own vid. it affects/effects you in now way shape or form. :? so..chill already. leave the vid a review if you must..but complaining about how a creator makes a review for himself really isn't getting you or anyone else anywhere.

:shrugs: well, its your deal...


Nods. Yeah, I agree that I probably sound like I'm going on about a pretty minor issue, however here is the main reason I feel a bit justified in being generally irritated (though it's more a shake my head in frusteration sort of thing than a bang my fists against the table and wail at God sort of thing):

Yesterday a fellow by the name of Ryo.it managaged get his videos into the TOP of the 10% list by having himself and his buddies (at least I figure they are his buddies as they seemingly belong to the same studio) give his videos 10s straight across the board. When I saw his vids appear in the top 10% list I was intrigued enough as the fellow is Italian, and I thought, hmm, an Italian editor might have a different take on things, and might make a pretty neat video. I hadn't checked to see who had reviewed these videos before starting to download, and my connection was being kinda fudgy, so my computer was tied up with the downloading for some time, and when I finally watch them what are they?

HIS FREAKIN' VACATION VIDEOS set to music,

I kid you not, his vacation videos. So I'm essentially, like WTF, who the heck reviewed these things? I go back click the little "learn more" link at the bottom of each of the video page and find out that he and his buddies had written the initial 3 reviews that got him into the list which precipitated me tieing up my computer downloading his videos while I could have been downloading porn in bulk or something else similarly worthwhile. :roll:

Prior to this I didn't even know that creators could post reviews for their own works...

Needless to say, I, and (I just learned) one other gentlemen who seemingly felt the same way I did about Ryo.It's video's, were nice and gave him our honest opinions about his videos, which not surprisingly knocked them off the 10% list. I know it is essentially "download at your own risk" here at times, and there have been times where I have genuinely not liked vids that numerous other people have reviewed and liked, and I've never been bothered by the random factor that can be associated with personal tastes. However, this incident just really irked me as it was such a blatent attempt to manipulate the system and waste my time.
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Postby priuscomet » Sun Nov 17, 2002 12:48 am

well then why didn' tyou complain about THAT earlier instead of attackign the masses that do that...

:? cuz i know a couple ppl who do leave themselves opinions on thier own vids...and considerable rate them lower then teh general public that score it....::cough::omni::cough::

anyway...the point is...there's no real way you can hinder this. everytime one person screws up....ten ppl want to do someting about it and one by one priviledges will be taken away until there's nothing to limit anymore. :? unfortunately...that's the way it goes...
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Postby EarthCurrent » Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:27 am

priuscomet wrote:well then why didn' tyou complain about THAT earlier instead of attackign the masses that do that...



Sorry if I left my motives so obscured, but even though my ire was raised by a single creator, I was indeed attacking the masses at large... :D

earthcurrent wrote:Either the creator will be hard on themselves, and give it average scores, or more likely, they will revel in their self-percieved genius and give themselves 9 and 10s.


I did put this little disclaimer in my first post since most people here are pretty honest folk who don't review their own works because it seems, for lack of a better definining word "unfair." I just don't think that the percieved strengths of allowing self-review as it stands makes up for its weaknesses.
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Postby OmniStrata » Sun Nov 17, 2002 2:07 am

priuscomet wrote:some ppl don't care..

me, i don't care. i just think those who do it are seriously that much of a looser that they need to review thier own vids just to put more comments or raise the opinion count. :? i've seen some of them even reply to their own reviews.

but really... i'm surprised at all that you LOOK at all the reviews for a certain vid and see who scored it and it and how. :? i can understand the whole "i'll get an idea for my opinion and maybe make my review better thing..." but really, you should come up with what you feel/think of the vid without outside resources to influence you real judgement on teh vid.

also, why does it matter so much that they left a review for themselves? really though, what have they done to piss you off so much and irritate you becuase they left a review for their own vid. :? they do what they do. you should do what you do. i dont' really understand how this would hurt you in any way or why you should be upset about a total stranger playing narcisis and reviewing their own vid. it affects/effects you in now way shape or form. :? so..chill already. leave the vid a review if you must..but complaining about how a creator makes a review for himself really isn't getting you or anyone else anywhere.

:shrugs: well, its your deal...


Wait a min. I REPLY TO MY OWN REVIEWS! In all seriousness though, it's just one review. The true losers are the creators that make up multi accounts (we know some of you are more than you appear) and THEN up their scores...

^_^

Some of you are busting an artery over something so trivial as an idiot who gives themselves straight 10s... He's all alone. Now if the video has 3 reviews only and lands in top 10%, why the frell are you complaining! Opinionate the damn thing and drag the idiot noob back down! ^_^

I do that sometimes... heh heh :twisted:
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