Sony Vegas AVI issue!!!!!

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Sony Vegas AVI issue!!!!!

Postby RinSaber » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:25 pm

Okay, I think people have heard this a million times by now. I'm having problems with AVI files in Vegas right. Yesturday, it worked perfectly. Then today, it is totally not working. All my AVI files used to work and now, it's not. Can anyone help?
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:46 pm

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Postby RinSaber » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:49 pm

I know that. I don't use Xvid or Divx files. It worked fine yesturday. Now it wouldn't...
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Postby Falconone » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:58 pm

are the files with a lagarith codec or other and you deletet the codecs? Or reinstall the codecs which the avi use, or are the avis uncompressed?
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Postby RinSaber » Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:14 pm

I have no clue. I just download the raws. I use raws from [MOD 403: redacted] for my videos.
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Postby JaddziaDax » Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:58 pm

You can either right click and go to the properties and see what codec they are or gspot them and see what codec they are... more than likely this is a "divx/xvid" issue, in which case that flashy banner should be a link as well
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Postby Kariudo » Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:00 pm

get gspot, it will tell you what codec a file is encoded with.
Raws probably means xvid, so get ready to fire up vdubmod and re-encode with lagarith or huffyuv.

And you really should be using dvds...
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Postby Shiroferetto » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:00 pm

I've been using WMV's to edit in Sony Vegas because it's actually a codec that SV will accept.

Actually, I've got files that are in an .AVI container that have the WMV video codec. That may explain why editing the files is eating up so much processor time. :/

FWIW, the conversion from XVID/DIVX to AVI with WMV looks visually very nice compared to other codecs that Sony Vegas allows (which are few and far between). I have the WMV Pro codecs installed on my machine, and those seem to do very nicely indeed.

Hmmmmm.

I've tried DV before, etc. etc. Finding good conversion codecs has been a trial by fire, to say the least.

Guess I'm going to have to do more reading and experimenting. :P Thanks kindly for the information on file types. I keep telling my husband that I need a book called "Video Conversion and Encoding for Complete Retards." If someone could write that up for me......... ;)
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Postby JaddziaDax » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:20 pm

WMV and DV codecs are lossy, you should use uncompressed, huffyuv or lagarith instead :/
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Postby Shiroferetto » Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:39 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:WMV and DV codecs are lossy, you should use uncompressed, huffyuv or lagarith instead :/



Thanks for the push. I installed both. (I'd really like to eliminate the annoying lag during editing and playback within SV. And what point is there in doing it if I'm just going to screw it up? :nono: )

I'm using (retail) Advanced X Video Converter. I... downloaded EO Converter, but so far I'm not really liking the way it works in comparison. I may have to goof around with it some more. That aside...

I'm using Lagarith at the moment to convert a batch of files so I can compare them to how the WMV's have been performing. I will say that the conversion process is going much faster. I'm using the Null Frame enabled on it because the video I'm using has, well, a lot of null frames. ;)

I can say that SO far, the conversion is going really freakin' quick. How Sony Vegas handles the Null Frame prediction and the codec... that remains to be seen. I'll be updating on that progress when I get there. Thought y'all might like a peek into the inner workings of the newbie's mind. ;) 'course, right now the newbie's mind has a killer migraine.

I haven't decided if it's from staring at the screen and reading specs or if it's because I own cats.

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Postby JaddziaDax » Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:06 pm

I donno about your settings cause i just use Virtualdub Mod to encode my clips. but somewhere in someone's sig I said something about lagarith working really well in my vegas... the playback is really good imho

also if you want more smoothness make a loop region and then press "ctrl+b" it will pre-render the loop so you can play it back exactly how it will look when actually rendered.
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Postby LivingFlame » Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:50 pm

I'll second Jaddzia's sentiments just as a vote of confidence. Vegas + Lagarith rocks. :up:

Also, it's "shift+b" to prerender, not "ctrl+b" (at least on my system o.O ). Also, if that trick isn't rendering enough of your loop region, then there's two things to try. One: go into Vegas' settings and up the amount of RAM Vegas can utilize for prerendering. Two: use "shift+m" to prerender the video instead. The difference between the two is that "shift+b" is a RAM preview whereas "shift+m" actually renders temporary video files to your hard drive.
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Postby JaddziaDax » Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:58 pm

yea shift... im half awake i just woke up
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Postby Shiroferetto » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:50 am

Awesome advice, guys. Thanks.

Now for the good-bad news!

The good news is that I got Huffyuv to render my files beautifully. The bad news is that Lagarith kept hanging. :/ Couldn't get a whole file done with it. Also, Lagarith's quality in comparison to Huffyuv wasn't even close. I don't know if that's because of the tweaking I did or if Huffyuv is just producing a nicer result, or even if it's the program I use. More experimentation may follow later. (I'll get ahold of VirtualDubMod, maybe--Virtual Dub wasn't really ringning any bells for me.)

The bad-bad news is that I don't have enough room on this (1.5 year-old) hard drive to store all the files I need to construct the AMV's I will be working on. I just bought a new video board, more RAM, a couple of thumb drives... and I'm so broke it ain't funny. Sooooooooooooooooo............

Until I can get a couple of massive drives in this system, I'm going to have to (gasp) stick with the WMV's just for the sake of space concerns.

25 minute videos (very low complexity) were coming in at 15G each. With a tiny series of 13 videos, that equals almost 200G. Since I just reformatted my HD recently, yanking extraneous software... well, you can see where I might not have much room to move, what with the gaggle of OS, Office, and video programs installed on the machine. Heh. Even pulling WoW off of my system would only let me store half an episode. ;P

On the bright side, the WMV LOOKS good, and that's half the battle, but yes there's problems using it. Soon as I can (damn, I knew I shouldn't have gotten those tattoos...), I'm going to see about getting some nice HD's to store files on. I'd debated a HD instead of a video board, but... I think I made the right choice going with the board first. ;)

I will likely experiment with it some more when I can by doing things like simply leaving out the original audio (not strictly needed in AMV production) when re-encoding, chopping unneeded bits off (ends, beginnings, and the kitchen sink), and whatever else I can thinik of.

The pre-rendering is a great idea, though, and I thank you guys for it. That will help a LOT with the amount of time it takes to edit video, especially when timing is crucial.

You guys rock. :D
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Postby LivingFlame » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:42 am

When/if you get VirtualDubMod (preferably with AviSynth), I suggest getting it from this and then using this guide to get acquainted with it.

And hey, if you can muster up some money pretty soon, here's what looks to be a really nice hard drive deal.

And good luck in future endeavors. :)
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