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Postby Castor Troy » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:36 pm

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Castor Troy wrote:2005: Julian Milo (Beowulf) creates "Dead to the World" which is a 26 minute video and the longest video done by a single person. Many people have done 10-14 minute videos but Dead to the World is the longest at this time.

I seem to recall this exact subject coming up before. Someone once did "The Wall" to Eva, and that's substantially longer. And I'm pretty sure they did it before Beo did that... thing.


Oh yeah, I was gonna ask if there was anything else to refute my claim.

I'd actually like to see that video if it's available.
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Postby trythil » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:52 pm

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Postby Koopiskeva » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:54 pm

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Postby PaperIsland » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:17 pm

Beowulf's DTTW and that Wall/Eva video might be something new, but since they haven't really been mimicked a whole lot, it doesn't seem like they're a new era.

If someone could think of a definitive start to when filtering became a common process for AMV making, that might be worth noting as an era (Shameless Rock video perhaps?).
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Postby Castor Troy » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:45 pm

PaperIsland wrote:Beowulf's DTTW and that Wall/Eva video might be something new, but since they haven't really been mimicked a whole lot, it doesn't seem like they're a new era.

If someone could think of a definitive start to when filtering became a common process for AMV making, that might be worth noting as an era (Shameless Rock video perhaps?).


Aluminum Studios did that alot with his Sailor Venus video before that.
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Postby Serv0 » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:05 pm

What the hell!? Why isn't this a Serv0 thread?

In any case, what I've noticed with all generations is that there's a lot of talk of what's original and what's stale. Whether it be MEP or AMV, anything that stood out as even slightly different, ended up creating a trend later on. It's always been like that with anything: a kid where's a pretty fashionable attire and people tend to pick up on it. Considering the attire works in the first place though. Otherwise the idea just becomes dumb.
What the big question people will most likely be asking today is, "Is there anything original to do anymore?" The answer is yes, it's just that most people don't try hard enough. Originality was always involved in playing a role in shaping "generations" for vids.
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Postby NS » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:22 pm

First: My opinion is as Popular editors have made certain videos Some other have immitated what they have done or what style they used, but at the same time there are always people who try to do different things and whatnot, so it's both.

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Postby Infinity Squared » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:38 pm

Serv0 wrote:What the big question people will most likely be asking today is, "Is there anything original to do anymore?" The answer is yes, it's just that most people don't try hard enough. Originality was always involved in playing a role in shaping "generations" for vids.


Honestly though, look at the situation of AMVs now... can you honestly say that there's been a huge leap in something new in the past 3 years or so? Videos might have been a bit more technical, but really, they've all been gradual progressions rather than revolutions.

I think originality can be an infinite commodity, but its availability is non-linear, more like a hyperbola where it gets trickier and trickier to reach something new (sorry, maths). It could be that we've reached a point now where we won't see something new for many more years.

Not only that, I think we are in a hobby that is highly dependant on technology. Perhaps we won't see the next major thing until technology itself propels us in that direction. Just think about the days when people jumped from VCR to computer editing. It was a massive (albeit probably slow) revolution.
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Postby OropherZero » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:47 pm

Let's discuss originality and whether its plausible nowadays when Twilight is released <:|

What annoys me now if when people get looked down at for using an effect which isn't original anymore but it still fits, does it really matter if people choose to using shatter or 3D tunnels?
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Postby OropherZero » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:48 pm

Excuse broken language in above post.
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Postby Brad » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:06 pm

I think something to really take note of is that in the current era (or basically, the past 2-3 years up to now), the quantity of videos has become so outrageous that it's much harder to quantify any sort of big sweeping movement. Whereas back in the day when the rate of new videos was far lower, it was much easier to quantify when things started changing or when a new video would change everything.

That being said, I think it's going to be really hard to identify anything as an "era" anymore, just because it's all so widespread.

That be my $0.02 anyway.
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Postby Kalium » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:36 pm

Actually, I think we're seeing a fracturing into distinct 'high' and 'low' cultures. The former tends to be found among the regulars around here. The latter on hosatchel and random LBZ/LikiNaruto videos.

Well, it already existed, but it's becoming far clearer now.
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Postby godix » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:30 am

Infinity Squared wrote:Honestly though, look at the situation of AMVs now... can you honestly say that there's been a huge leap in something new in the past 3 years or so?

Actually, yes. It's just not mainstream and I kinda doubt it will ever be. But over the last couple years I've noticed more uhhh experimental type videos being done and garnering more attention than they used to. D!gital Me, She Was, Mass Murderer, Conet, and stuff like that. I'm a big fan of originality and often bitch that AMVs don't show much but there are the occasional ones that try something new. They just don't all become fads.

AtomX wrote:I think something to really take note of is that in the current era (or basically, the past 2-3 years up to now), the quantity of videos has become so outrageous that it's much harder to quantify any sort of big sweeping movement. Whereas back in the day when the rate of new videos was far lower, it was much easier to quantify when things started changing or when a new video would change everything.

I gotta disagree. The last two or three years we've actually been dropping a lot. According to super search here's how many videos were released each year:
2003 - 16427
2004 - 29821
2005 - 37945
2006 - 30006
2007 - 15552
2008 - 2669, at this rate we'll end the year somewhere around 10k or perhaps a bit higher since the con rushes haven't started yet.
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Postby Darius GQ » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:47 am

2001:
E-ko - Tainted Donuts
An epic music video in terms of montage and alternative plot. Particularly so for year 2001.


2004:
Scorpions Ultd. - WOTB
Unbelieveable work had shown an entirely new level of clipmaking with alternative plot. One may notice appearance of lots and lots of followers in the coming years.
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Postby Brad » Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:03 am

godix wrote:
AtomX wrote:I think something to really take note of is that in the current era (or basically, the past 2-3 years up to now), the quantity of videos has become so outrageous that it's much harder to quantify any sort of big sweeping movement. Whereas back in the day when the rate of new videos was far lower, it was much easier to quantify when things started changing or when a new video would change everything.

I gotta disagree. The last two or three years we've actually been dropping a lot. According to super search here's how many videos were released each year:
2003 - 16427
2004 - 29821
2005 - 37945
2006 - 30006
2007 - 15552
2008 - 2669, at this rate we'll end the year somewhere around 10k or perhaps a bit higher since the con rushes haven't started yet.


Wow. Color me surprised. I don't know why but it just FEELS like we have far more videos coming out on a regular basis now. Maybe my gauge is reaching back to 2004 and I'm simply comparing it to the original days of the Org and prior. Before the Org my primary conduit into AMVs was the AMV Mailing List which got me watching specific creators through their personal web sites. I didn't start going to cons until quite a bit later so I wasn't really in tune with that community so it's hard for me to think about it in that sense... But even still, I stand by my point of from here on out, I really don't see any new "eras" arising.

I suppose you could pronounce 2006-Present as your You-Tube era, as much as we hate to acknowledge it. But there's no denying that it has become an enormous presence when it comes to AMVs (and web based video in general). Whether or not thats a good thing or a bad thing is certainly up for debate. And the fact that the number of the videos per year on the Org has been dropping and the You-Tube AMV catalog is growing, it only lends validity to that point.
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