"Piracy Policies"... Not me!

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"Piracy Policies"... Not me!

Postby Rob Kenchu » Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:25 am

Have you ever had a great idea for a clip to use in your AMV, but you don't have the source clip you need? Lots of us have had that problem, including myself. A lot of times the clip you need is in another AMV that you've downloaded and you think to yourself "This would fit great, if only I wouldn't get harped on for using this clip..."

Well, my friends, I say: LET THEM USE THE CLIP!

A lot of newbie AMV makers as well as vets don't have capture cards or any number of factors needed to get the clip from the DVD/VHS to your computer, and that's where the "Credit Where It's Due Policy" steps in.

My fellow AMV director Katara and I have set up a policy that is very forgiving to other AMV makers and would like to see more people adopt the policy for their own!

It's very simple: ASK! All you have to do is ASK the Original AMV Maker (OAMVM for short) to use the clip. If you can't get a hold of the OAMVM, that’s ok! Just add a credit to your vid or website (or both) that says it's not all yours.

If you're nice to them, and the OAMVM isn't mean, why would he/she turn you down?

We at More Better Studios feel that if more people adopted this policy, more good AMVs would be made with more cooperation between all AMV makers (both newbies and OGs), building a happier AMV makers community!

Thank you for your time! I'll be happy to respond to feedback/questions on my AIM screen name "Rob Kenchu" or by e-mail "Rob-Kenchu@morebetterstudios.com"
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Postby Paul Kievits » Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:50 am

I don't see what this has to do with exchanging opinions but whatever .... anyway, with this system you might aswell ask a lot of AMV creators to borrow their scenes and compose a video completely of copied scenes = retarded. In my eyes just make your frickin video by yourself, where will you ever get by "borrowing"? If someone asked me I'd bluntley say "no"
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Postby Rob Kenchu » Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:52 am

Fair enough, but did you get permission from the original makers of the anime to use the video? did you ask the band to use the song?
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Postby Dannywilson » Wed Nov 06, 2002 4:28 am

Well, I'd probably say yes, but ask to see the orginal video before it was released. I really dont see how you couldn't find source footage though... hell, most amv's are encoded in a lossy format for distrubution to anything but con sumission, so you'd only be adding to the lossyness by re-encoding the footage. In addition, I don't want to sound like a total pirate, but there is not an anime yet that I've not been able to find online, with the exception of Venus Wars. Wait a minute, WHY THE HELL IS THIS THREAD IN VIDEO OPINION EXCHANGE?!?!
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Postby Rob Kenchu » Wed Nov 06, 2002 4:36 am

i put it here cuz i want your opinian... made sense at the time ^_^;;
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Postby Hitori » Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:15 am

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UUuumm... ok...? :?
This thread needs to be moved to the General Forum...
The way I look at this "policy" is with this saying, "What you put in is what you get out. Crap in Crap out!" Using footage from other creator videos is not a good idea because this is where the quality issue come into effect. The difference between lossy and lossless.. You want to work with lossless footage as much as you can. The only thing you don't want is to work with lossy footage. The outcome may look alright, but down the line it will hurt. And if there is a certain effect or transition you like in other videos but don't know what it is... Ask the person who created the AMV and see how they did it. (Ask politely though!)

A lot of us put quite a lot of money into equipement and programs. This is only a hobby outside of work or school. Sure you can download source footage from just about anywhere. But, if you really want to help out.. buy your source footage. Buy the anime, buy the music, etc... Even if you have to import the anime. Support what you do or love doing by buying the equipment, programs, and music/anime footage. I don't know what else to say other than going out and buying the stuff! 8)
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Postby ladydx » Wed Nov 06, 2002 12:43 pm

:? Is it just me..or hasn't this already been discussed once before and people got upset about other peoples opinions? :?
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Postby The Wired Knight » Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:53 pm

Most creators will often say yes if you only want to borrow one scene from them if you can't get it so I say why not ask. sometimes though there are scenes they won't let you use like if I were Vlad I wouldn't want people borrowing scenes from Transcending Love due to teh amount of work put into it.
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Postby MistyCaldwell » Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:22 pm

Buying a DVD-ROM is extremely cheap. If you already have the dvd's, and you can get a dvd-rom for under 50 bucks, you can rip footage. You'll have extremely good quality that way for not much money.

I wonder if Bogosort ever finished his video made completely out of other amv's footage. I'd like to see how it turns out if nothing else than to be proven wrong that I think videos with pre-compressed footage will always look like crap.
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Postby Rob Kenchu » Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:26 pm

yeah, i know this should go into the general forum now... hindsight being 20/20 and all... i wasnt exactly thinkin to fill when i made this topic, sorry :oops:

[MOD467: Fear not good citizen! It has been moved there! :wink:]
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Postby trythil » Wed Nov 06, 2002 6:49 pm

MistyCaldwell wrote:I'd like to see how it turns out if nothing else than to be proven wrong that I think videos with pre-compressed footage will always look like crap.


Well, technically, practically every fan-made AMV is made out of pre-compressed footage ;)

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on the original subject --

If somebody actually thought there was something in my videos worth ripping, I wouldn't have a problem with it. (Well, I'd consider them crazy, but that's beside the point.) I don't attribute my videos to me anyway, so I can't really complain.

My opinion on using others' edited scenes: I just don't like the idea, and I can't see how you could rationalize it with anything but laziness.
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Postby trythil » Wed Nov 06, 2002 6:57 pm

trythil wrote:[My opinion on using others' edited scenes: I just don't like the idea, and I can't see how you could rationalize it with anything but laziness.


Let me try to clarify that before somebody springs the "well, what about software component reuse, or mathematical theorems" argument:

IMHO, you can't compare such things and AMVs. The element of personal expression factors greatly into the latter, and it's here where I think using somebody else's work severely injures an AMV's artistic qualities.

This isn't to say that software engineering or mathematics -aren't- influenced by individual expression -- they most certainly are. However, the point of both of those disciplines is to further the perfection of both fields by building upon what has already been proven to be workable or correct.

The technical aspects of AMV editing could fall into this category -- certainly, it makes sense to spread around techniques that produce cleaner, more vivid video. However, artistically, I don't think this holds true. Everybody has their own unique style (I have yet to see two people that edit and composite exactly the same way), and that style is a signature that has tremendous impact on the artistic expression of the AMV. By using somebody's else's creation in your work, you destroy that expression.

I hope that made sense; I'm certainly not the most articulate person in the world.
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Postby Rob Kenchu » Wed Nov 06, 2002 7:43 pm

we have completely, %100 missed the point here. I'm talkin about just raw clips, not edited ones. If i have a long stretch of Kenshin fighting Saitou, and someone needs some of that fight, than if they ask me i'll let them use it. I'm not talking about "wow! that effect is real cool! i'll use that for my vid!", but even that is forgivable to a point! I just want people to be more understanding and less judgemental of what MOST OF US WERE WHEN WE STARTED!
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Postby trythil » Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:46 pm

Rob Kenchu wrote:we have completely, %100 missed the point here. I'm talkin about just raw clips, not edited ones.


I don't see a single phrase in your original post that has to do with "just using raw clips".

However...

Wording issues aside, it can be very difficult to tell just what is edited and what is not. It's not that rare these days to see footage that -looks- unedited, but in fact has undergone some extensive work.

Keep in mind that there's very few people who will condemn you if you ask and give credit before you take, be it an edited or raw clip. All I said is that I don't think it's a very good practice.
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Postby iserlohn » Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:39 pm

Well, my policy is this: if you email me and ask and I'm feeling nice (and you're being nice which is not as common as some would think), I'll either point people towards where they can get the clip for cheap (like a highly discounting etailer) or if they're desperate and asking nice and are making efforts to be friendly beyond wanting my footage, i'll offer a cd with my workclips. However, if you don't ask first and you just rip my AMV and I find out about it.....you don't want to be around.
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