Where has the community gone?

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Where has the community gone?

Postby Tab. » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:28 am

I feel like a fucking grandfather writing this, but:
Things have changed a lot since my heyday. Back then, the AIM chat was often un-joinable because it was filled to the max. There were places to post when you weren't announcing something, asking a question, or writing a review. The rules of conduct weren't draconian and the administration understood that they were running a community; not a business.

Things changed in 2004. The off topic forums were trashed wholesale (well, late 2003). The community fragmented into a dozen sub-communities and studio-specific communities. The AIM room transformed from a bustling community into a tiny, tightly-knit group of room regulars. The IRC chat went from being a fun little diversion for NME and I (originally on freenode), to an officially-sanctioned alternative to the AIM room, to an Orwellian shell of that which it sought to replace. This pretty much says it all:
The Alternative Chat Room:
Note: The amvorg administration has no means of moderating the content of the AIM chat rooms and is not responsible for any of the actions or opinions of the users of this chat room.

Anyone remember when the AIM chat wasn't positioned as a scary, lawless place where you'd better watch out because someone might make fun of you on the internet or say a bad word? Anyone?
I can't comment directly on the content or quality of #AMV these days, because I'm permabanned. When the room started, I was staff. I try to make do with #amv-review, whose moderation is not batshit insane.

When Phade handed the org off to AD, we had ourselves an active and sensible benevolent dictator. Since AD took off and Phade came back, the impression left is that Phade didn't really "come back", but rather handed administration to an aloof, poorly meta-moderated, and seemingly random group of members; some old-hats and internet superstars, some complete jerkoffs who maybe dolled out some blowjays in an alley at AWA.

Now we have a "donator's forum" which amounts to OT sans traffic, and an official chat room populated by moderators who abuse both the official rules of the channel, and the rules of common decency (higher-ups turn a blind eye to this) – and I'm not just talking about my own exceedingly absurd situation. It's a fairly common complaint.

The community used to be open – with OT and AIM – and now it is closed, with DF and #AMV. AMV used to be a fun place to connect with people who share interests in anime, video editing, and occasionally the combination thereof. Now it's just another website.

The topic is actually not an implied criticism, it is an honest question. If the community I remember still exists, where is it? And what the fuck have you done to my animemusicvideos.org?
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Postby Tsunami Jones » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:47 am

I'm an internet superstar/complete jerkoff? Score. :roll:

EDIT: I suppose I should say a bit more.

I remember the AIM room when I visited it around 4 years ago. I was instantly and constantly flamed, simply for stopping in and saying "hello."

And what the fuck have you done to my animemusicvideos.org?


Everyone, regardless of the situation, always tends to harken back to the "good old days." Times change. Deal with it.
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Postby Kitsuner » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:54 am

I wish I were around back then so I could reminisce about the "good old times". They seem like they were fun. :(
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Postby inthesto » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:06 am

I used to feel like this about the social forums on GameFAQs, but I eventually had a revelation one day.

Internet communities shift over time.

In any one give place on the internet, sub-communities will form. However, over time, it's inevitable that it'll break up. People get lives, lose interest, or whatever else have you. Old people leave, new people join. There comes a point where all the old people are gone and it's nobody you recognize anymore. You can either integrate into the new population or pack up and leave. Nobody's going to complain either way. So no, the community you remember doesn't exist anymore. You can adapt or drop out; bitching and moaning isn't going to get you anywhere.

While I do vocally disagree with the fact that there's no open social forum on the Org, there's really nothing I can do about it. As far as IRC goes, people there are pretty god damn lenient, so you obviously screwed up many times to get permanently banned.

But hey, there's still the journals, numerous spinoff forums, and just plain making friends the old way.

Just like you asked an "honest question", I'm going to give you an "honest answer". Just shut up. All you're gonna do is make yourself sound like a whiny bitch. I know because I was that whiny bitch in another place and another time. In the mean time, try to petition for an open OT forum and do it without making yourself look like a old crank.
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Postby Tab. » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:15 am

Everyone so far wrote:UR JUST NOSTALGIC SHIT CHANGES SHUT UP FGT

Please don't bother replying if you're going to post this dribble. Please do post if you know what I'm talking about.
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Postby AquaSky » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:26 am

I remember the AIM. But, as much fun as was had in that chat room, it then became increasingly populated by ADD-ridden teenagers with a penchant for neon text. IRC didn't kill AIM, AIMtards killed AIM. :cry:
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Postby Tsunami Jones » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:27 am

Please don't bother to post threads about your clearly "NOSTALGIC SHIT" if you're just going to complain about it when people reply. It might surprise you to know, that maybe some people know exactly what you're talking about.
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Postby Prodigi » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:28 am

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Postby Brad » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:32 am

I know what you're talking about, and I still think you're whining. I was a regular in the AIM chat. I used the OT forums. You may disagree, but the administration simply felt that the cons of having them around out-weighed the pro's. Get the fuck over it.

What is it REALLY that you miss about the "good ole days"? The people? Guess what, you can still talk and interact with all of those people. Or is it just like, the actual mechanic utility of the web site's off-topic forum system that you miss? You have the donator's forum. Sorry it's not brimming with spam threads and random bullshit that can easily be found at your local neighborhood 4chan (note: I'm not actually sorry).
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Postby Tab. » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:46 am

Hey guys you know what would be really awesome? Civility.

All I want to know is if animemusicvideos.org 2003 still exists, where I can find it. If the answer is truly "It doesn't exist anymore, fuck off." Then I'll kindly pack my things and leave.
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Postby Brad » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:53 am

YOUR 2003 animemusicvideos.org isn't necessarily the same MY 2003 animemusicvideos.org or many other people. Why not just come out and say specifically what it is you WANT in a community? Freedom to just post whatever it is you want for no reason? Or more vaguely, just a simply off-topic random environment? Or do you want an un-moderated no-holds-barred chat room?

Donator's Forum is off-topic and for the most part, pretty random at times. If you're looking for outright absurdity and craziness and no moderation off-topic forums, then you'll likely have to look elsewhere.

As for chat rooms, the AIM chat DOES still exist. Sorry if it's less populated, but as I said before, if it's specific people you miss, talk to them directly.

To answer your question directly, no, of course animemusicvideos.org of 2003 does not exist anymore. And guess what, animemusicvideos.org of 2006 does not exist anymore, because it's fucking 2008. As we've said already, time's change, people move on, rules are adapted, it just happens. If you long for the old times, make them happen on your own.
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Postby downwithpants » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:56 am

the old OT was very cliquey, more so than now. perhaps that was a good thing for the community members, but it created a very elitist atmosphere. i remember earthcurrent or someone coming out and complaining about the elitism too, people not helping and just flaming newbs.

but then phade closed OT. that pretty much killed off the OT community. some went to demonseal or hypeodermic, but those communities presumably faded.

the active community kinda cycled 2004-2005 with regulars leaving and new regulars showing up, but has kinda established itself with permanent members over the past two years.

so, no, the old forum community has dispersed, and a new forum community taken its place. a few regulars from old OT have stuck through it all, but they have adapted to the changes.


some interesting notes:
there has always been a couple of very active newbie helpers, and when one leaves another seems to take her place.

the administration has been less active and vocal then before, but the atmosphere in the general forums has become more strict. why? i'd argue that it's not the admin, but forum regulars lynching and ibtling any thread that had the potential of becoming off-topic. this became so common that it was regularly accepted that any potential OT thread should be insta-nuked and the poster banned. i grew kinda sick of this and threw out a rule to punish ibtlers.

flint and others introduced the donators OT forum idea to the org, i think with the hopes it would be a stepping stone to an open OT. i myself would love to have an open OT as well, who knows, maybe someday it will happen (however, yes, the admin are lazy).
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Postby Tab. » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:02 am

Thanks, downwithpants. That's exactly the kind of response I was hoping for.
a few regulars from old OT have stuck through it all, but they have adapted to the changes.

I'm interested to hear their take on things.
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Postby Tab. » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:21 am

By the way, I guess now would be a relevant time to ask if I could get RadicalEd0 merged into this account, since somebody with that capability must be reading this :|
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Postby requiett » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:25 am

This is not a community, so quit acting like you are. Everyone knows it's a fan clique. Fuck IRC. If you can't run a chat without needing babysitters, don't have a chat. The AIM room has worked fine for me since 2001, and will continue to work.
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