ANIME... not cartoon...

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Postby Sub0 » Sat Oct 26, 2002 2:00 pm

:D least you can see that Clara is thinking. She made like.... 12 contradictions in this thread. Most of which were in the first few pages but the latest,
you say anime deals with 'special love feelings'? Weren't you just complaining about Hentai, where none of the girls smile, they should be happy to be in such a special position :? well some of em... :lol: . Or is Hentai not anime... cuz Tsuji is under the assumption that you are lumping all anime together, I don't think you are. I just don't think you know what your talking about. :twisted:
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Postby Engar » Sat Oct 26, 2002 5:33 pm

Clara might not have a clear argument but she's just fighting the good fight for the rights of Anime. What I mean is that a lot of Anime (not all of course) is above the kiddy stuff that a lot of cartoons (not all of course) are. I have to deal with this every time I watch an anime, my mum insists on calling Cowboy Be-Bop "Baby Be-Bop" which is more than a little annoying considering it isn't at all a baby programme.

I'm not saying I'm completely on one side, just that Clara's argument doesn't deserve all the flak it's recieving.
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Postby Angel_Killer_777 » Sat Oct 26, 2002 7:43 pm

The Non-Professional wrote:
OrenTheSaiyan wrote::shock: THIS IS STILL GOING ON! Geez....will this be the longest thread ever?


actually the longest thread i ever saw was 156 pages long


I think we pushed What Does This Word Mean To You III to over 500 pages.
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Postby Tsuji Mania » Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:24 pm

Clara might not have a clear argument but she's just fighting the good fight for the rights of Anime. What I mean is that a lot of Anime (not all of course) is above the kiddy stuff that a lot of cartoons (not all of course) are. I have to deal with this every time I watch an anime, my mum insists on calling Cowboy Be-Bop "Baby Be-Bop" which is more than a little annoying considering it isn't at all a baby programme.

I'm not saying I'm completely on one side, just that Clara's argument doesn't deserve all the flak it's recieving.


Flak? I'm not giving it flak. I'm just pointing out that it is incorrect.

You cannot possibly say there are no animated pieces from Japan that aren't cartoons. Just like you can hardly say that all animated pieces from America are cartoons.

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Postby Tsuji Mania » Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:26 pm

personally i agreee with clara that it's an insult to call anime a artoon


Well I agree with Clara they it's an insult to call them "artoons" as well. But if you agree that it is an insult to call them cartoons then you're just as stubborn and ignorant.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but when you grow up, you'll see what a jackass you were.
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Postby alternatefutures » Sun Oct 27, 2002 12:40 am

Man, how long can this thing drag out. Tsuji Mania, you're doing a bangup job here, you just missed one point; when Clara said that anime is different from cartoons because they're drawn differently, she must have forgotten that the big-eyed anime style was based off of Betty Boop, the AMERICAN CARTOON!

I've just been tempted to post again in this thread for way too long and I finally gave in. ^^
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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Sun Oct 27, 2002 7:30 am

Ok, I've been out for awhile, but now it's time to respond to some things that were said after my last post.

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For what Tsuji said:

So, "Anime" means "Animation", right? And I suppose that "Cartoon" is the American word for "Animation"? NO! "Animation" is the American word for "Animation"! So, just translating the words isn't going to make them the same. And besides, are we in Japan? Are we speaking Japanese? NO!! We're speaking English, and so "Anime" means "Japanese Animation!"

So, Cartoons are humorous sketchs? Well, Excel Saga and Dragon-Half are VERY FAR from just sketchs!!!!

If you wanted to turn any american Cartoon into an Anime, (like Rugrats as you mentioned) it would need more than just to be drawn like Anime. ALOT MORE! That's obvious.

When I mentioned that "Death is serious in your Standard Anime", I thought you would realize that Excel Saga insn't your Standard Anime! Excel Saga was the first Anime I thought of when writing that, and that's why I wrote "STANDARD ANIME"!!!!

What I should've said was, "If Death is serious 90% of the time in Anime, then Death is funny 90% of the time in Cartoons."

About the Love stuff. I said that Love actually has meaning in Anime. And it does!! Alot more than Cartoons anyway!! I didn't say that the Love was all pure or anything like that!!! It's just that there is alot more passion put into the love and sex scenes of Anime than the no passion for love found in Cartoons!! Even the rape in Hentai scenes have passion, creativity, and imaginitives to them.

I said that not all Anime and all Cartoons apply to what I said. Nor, am I lumping them all together. I'm just that Anime is Anime, Cartoons are Cartoons!

Yes, it is an insult to call anything something that it isn't. An Anime may have Cartoon-like situations, but it's still ANIME!!!!

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About what alternatefutures said:

Even if the big-eyes in Anime were based from Betty Boop, that wouldn't make Anime and Cartoons drawn the same! THAT'S JUST ONE BODY PART!! (ok.... two) Cartoons don't use big-eyes anyways. Well, only sometimes, but it's not regulary on a Cartoon char like it is on Anime char.

And besides, the big-eyes in Anime look nothing like Betty Boop's. They didn't draw it to look like Betty Boop's eyes, they just liked the idea of big-eyes, so that was what they made.
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Postby klinky » Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:31 am

Can't we all just say that Anime, Hentai, Ecchi are Otaku slang?


Anime = Japanese Animation

Hentai = Sex anime

Ecchi = Sexually provacative anime, doesn't go as far as hentai.

This is how it's accepted by millions of people ^_^

We don't go around saying "lets all go watch some Japanese Cartoons".

Japanese Animation is termed Anime because it's special, it comes from Japan. That makes it different from American animation.


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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:40 am

Yeah! That's right!

I said something like that in the middle of this somewhere......
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Postby alternatefutures » Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:41 am

Considering Tiny Toons is actually animated better than 90% of all anime, I guess it can't qualify as a cartoon either because it's definately more than "just sketchs".

And have you ever heard of the term "synonym"?
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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:51 am

Tiny Toons only has more frames of animation because it's not drawn nearly as well as cool as Anime is!

Yes, animated Cartoons are more than just sketchs. That was just supposed to throw away what Tsuji said. Even so, they're are still Cartoons.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:55 am

Clara... just shut up
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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Sun Oct 27, 2002 10:01 am

I will not be silenced.

When no one complains about that Anime is Anime, Cartoons are Cartoons, and they are not the other, then I will leave this thread.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sun Oct 27, 2002 10:08 am

Oh great... so you aren't willing to accept another person's opinion on the matter.

Wonderful.

We might as well kill the thread now, it's not going anywhere.
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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Sun Oct 27, 2002 10:12 am

Why accept an opinion if it isn't true?

There's no truth in "Anime is Cartoons".
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