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Postby Hiro The Dragon King » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:01 pm

now i was told that this was a good alternative if i couldnt use lossless codecs so i tired it and the quality looks great and is a little less than half the size of a huffy (cuz theres no aduio either) but when i use it in WMM it wont create clips. anyone know why....or how to fix it.
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Postby Rapture** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:58 pm

Hiro The Dragon King wrote:now i was told that this was a good alternative if i couldnt use lossless codecs so i tired it and the quality looks great and is a little less than half the size of a huffy (cuz theres no aduio either) but when i use it in WMM it wont create clips. anyone know why....or how to fix it.


Maybe someone has already told ya that.. Anyway - it might be because WMM accepts not all the codecs? I've tried to input some H264 footage into my own WMM (wow,it's been really a long time since I did that last time o.O) and it didn't accept it - it haven't created any clips.

If you don't want to use Huffy,there is always Lagarith,which I think is much better than Huffy (if you have a fast machine of course..).
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Postby Hiro The Dragon King » Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:10 pm

trust me...the problem isnt a fast machine...mines faster then hell. the problem is space. lagarith is like 10 gigs and episode. i got 26 episodes and 160 gigs of free space.

Is there another codec that works in WMM, that i can convert to at a decent speed, isnt more than 5 gigs an ep, and doesnt look like shit?
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Postby Rapture** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:18 pm

Hiro The Dragon King wrote:trust me...the problem isnt a fast machine...mines faster then hell. the problem is space. lagarith is like 10 gigs and episode. i got 26 episodes and 160 gigs of free space.

Is there another codec that works in WMM, that i can convert to at a decent speed, isnt more than 5 gigs an ep, and doesnt look like shit?


Dunno about your footage,but mine is like this : 720*480 ; 23.976 fps ; no audio steam. And if I remove opening and ending,episode takes me only up to 5-6GB. Besides,I don't see a point of keeping EACH episode full. You could just remove clips you think are not needed for sure,and that would save lots of space.

I used this methond,and all 25 eps of Love Hina was compressed to 70GB (that's hell a lot,but hey - it's was my first time using lossless...). Render one ep,and after it finished rendering,just remove needless clips.

OR - someone around here will soon post you the way to use VFapi or FakeAVIs...
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Postby Kariudo » Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:34 pm

if you make your clips in vdubmod, you can use huffy and keep the size of the clips to a few GB (depending on how many clips you have, and their length)

Yeah...that means that you should keep the vobs around so you make more clips (should you need to), but it takes a lot less space than huffy encodes (usually about 1GB per ep)
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Postby post-it » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:24 pm

Kariudo wrote:if you make your clips in vdubmod, you can use huffy and keep the size of the clips to a few GB (depending on how many clips you have, and their length)

Yeah...that means that you should keep the vobs around so you make more clips (should you need to), but it takes a lot less space than huffy encodes (usually about 1GB per ep)
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Postby Kariudo » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:31 pm

and by size of the clips I meant the total size of all your clips
just to make it a bit clearer
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Postby Rapture** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:00 pm

Kariudo wrote:if you make your clips in vdubmod, 1. you can use huffy and keep the size of the clips to a few GB (depending on how many clips you have, and their length)

Yeah...that means that you should keep the vobs around so you make more clips (should you need to), 2.but it takes a lot less space than huffy encodes (usually about 1GB per ep)


Wait a sec. I don't get it somehow... Use huffy,but it takes less space than huffy :?: :?
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Postby Hiro The Dragon King » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:15 pm

Rapture** wrote:
Kariudo wrote:if you make your clips in vdubmod, 1. you can use huffy and keep the size of the clips to a few GB (depending on how many clips you have, and their length)

Yeah...that means that you should keep the vobs around so you make more clips (should you need to), 2.but it takes a lot less space than huffy encodes (usually about 1GB per ep)


Wait a sec. I don't get it somehow... Use huffy,but it takes less space than huffy :?: :?


I get what hes saying but he could probably coulda phrased it better.
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Postby post-it » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:40 pm

Hiro The Dragon King wrote:.. if you make your clips in vdubmod, you can use huffy. ( about 10gig's each )
Yeah...that means that you should keep the vobs around so you make more clips because those files are (usually about 1GB per ep) and only VirtualDub the sections that you really need.
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Postby post-it » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:42 pm

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Postby Rapture** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:21 pm

post-it wrote:
Kariudo wrote:.. if you make your clips in vdubmod, you can use huffy. ( about 10gig's each )
Yeah...that means that you should keep the vobs around so you make more clips because those files are (usually about 1GB per ep) and only VirtualDub the sections that you really need.
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Fixed quote.

And...

Ohh... Now I understand. But...

Hiro The Dragon King wrote:Is there another codec that works in WMM, that i can convert to at a decent speed, isnt more than 5 gigs an ep, and doesnt look like shit?


10 gigs is too much for him :? SO - that's why I suggested using Lag instead of Huffy. Though - I've just turned on and checked playback of Lag files in WMM.. It's almost a still picture :? Probably the rumours about WMM hating Lag is true :|

I would suggest just trying out other editing software.. Not saying that WMM is bad,as I used it couple of my first vids..

The facts :
1. WMM most likely hates Lag,and Lag most likely hates WMM.
2. Huffy will be too big if you don't want to waste like 10 gigs for an episode...

There are few tricks to avoid these problems :
1. Use editing software other than WMM if you want to use Lag.
2. Just browse trough all of your footage and take only clips you'll need,and when you need a clip,but you don't have it,make a new clip. (that would be the most wise decision I think). The shorter way of telling this would be : Create only clips that you'll use for your vid.

Maybe it's just my machine is too slow,so Lag is almost like a still image on WMM (note that it works great in Premiere Pro CS and Vegas 5.0),but I still think that WMM hates Lag.. :?
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Postby Kariudo » Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:54 pm

I'll try again...
making clips in vdubmod means that you don't encode the entire episode.

[my] clips are usually between 40 and 300 frames in length...so when you encode these clips with huffyuv, each little clip ends up only being a few megabytes in size.
(for reference, a 34 second clip encoded with huffyuv is about 56MB...after some avisynth filtering)

in case you want to make more clips, you should keep the vobs and .d2v files around.
(I assume that you are using avisynth)
this means that the 26 episode series will only take up around 26GB (because each episode is ~1GB.)
all of the clips you end up making will take up a few more GB too (I think that for one of my amvs I made about 250 clips. The 250 clips took up a total of ~5GB, which means that the average clip was about 20MB)
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Postby Rapture** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:14 pm

Kariudo wrote:I'll try again...
making clips in vdubmod means that you don't encode the entire episode.

[my] clips are usually between 40 and 300 frames in length...so when you encode these clips with huffyuv, each little clip ends up only being a few megabytes in size.
(for reference, a 34 second clip encoded with huffyuv is about 56MB...after some avisynth filtering)

in case you want to make more clips, you should keep the vobs and .d2v files around.
(I assume that you are using avisynth)
this means that the 26 episode series will only take up around 26GB (because each episode is ~1GB.)
all of the clips you end up making will take up a few more GB too (I think that for one of my amvs I made about 250 clips. The 250 clips took up a total of ~5GB, which means that the average clip was about 20MB)


Ohh... I see now lol ^^ Well I'm doing the same thing,except for I'm clipping using MB size,not the frame count. When disabling audio steam,VDubMod gets amazingly sharp at keeping correct clip size ^^

To get back to topic - I think you should do as Kariudo tells ya.

To be precise,I'll quote myself :

Rapture** wrote:The shorter way of telling this would be : Create only clips that you'll use for your vid.
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Postby Autraya » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:23 pm

ahem...

killaudio()

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unles for some reason you are using the audio from the anime?
99% of amv's don't use it so disable it in DGIndex or in virtualdub or using avs(as above).
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