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Postby Kaxi » Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:26 am

I think that the list should be a secret, and if someone really wants to know who is after him/her, he/she could just ask Sky to tell him/her. In my opinion, it would be much better to watch the final video without previously knowing the list and generally not knowing who you got your audio source from, and who did you give yours.
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Postby CastielTheFallen » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:37 am

So did we decide on a 45 second track? I wanna start considering the song im going to pass on.
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Postby Orwell » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:54 am

I'd say secret list as well, and then tell them right when they're required who's coming after, personally I agree with godix that while you could give a really weird piece of audio to someone, you'd either get a track that'll just get skipped over, or you'll find someone who's talented enough to make something work. If it's an editors who's going to make a skip-track, I'd say give them the back up audio.

Also, might I suggest either a new official thread, or at least updating the first post with relevant information?
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Postby omegaevolution » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:19 am

I vote for the list to be secret, and PMs would be nice as well O:

I was also wondering how much is the lenght of the music, lets not say 45 sec exactly, more like 40-50 sec (since not every song is exact in the timing and stuff O:)

Also, might I suggest either a new official thread, or at least updating the first post with relevant information?


he is going to do a new topic, since this is pretty much too full XD and Sky said it 2 pages ago or something like that. But yeah I would like to read information about the format, AR, fps and stuff :P
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Postby CrackTheSky » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:35 pm

godix wrote:Stuff.

In your case godix, because I know what you're planning on doing with your audio, I could let you know ahead of time who's coming after you. But a lot of people seem to think the secret list would be good, and I'm kinda leaning towards it myself, so that's the way I'm gonna go. But if you need to know who's coming before or after you for some reason (a good reason, that I'm going to need to know), we can work something out.

Vegeta119 wrote:So did we decide on a 45 second track? I wanna start considering the song im going to pass on.

It will depend on common sense. 45 seconds is going to be about the average, but I'll spell this out more clearly in the first post of the next thread, speaking of which...

Orwell wrote:Also, might I suggest either a new official thread, or at least updating the first post with relevant information?

Yeah, don't worry, this thread isn't going to be the official MEP thread. I'm actually probably going to go write that in Notepad on my other computer as soon as I'm done here today, but it won't be posted for another week or two. I'm waiting until August, and I want all the details hammered out in this thread so there's no confusion in the official one.
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Postby Greggus1 » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:40 pm

Yeah, I'm not too keen myself on the idea of picking your audio based on the editor following you, as after all, this is an MEP meant to challenge the editors involved, if I understood correctly.

Though in godix's case, we could make an exception. Not everybody knows what clips to put on fornicating animal sounds.
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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:58 pm

Actually I'm kinda in a similar boat as godix. Might not be as bad though.
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Postby godix » Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:56 pm

Greggus1 wrote:Though in godix's case, we could make an exception. Not everybody knows what clips to put on fornicating animal sounds.

Actually, that was the backup audio for people who wouldn't be able to do my primary idea. I mean what anime fan doesn't own bestiality hentai? It would have been an easy segment.

Anyway cracker dealt with my concerns in PM so I should be able to use my primary audio and he still keeps the unknown random idea so I withdraw my objection.
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Postby Kisanzi » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:25 am

Maybe this is already the case, but it looks like some people will have some interesting audio that might be hard to work with, for rhythmical reasons not ridiculous reasons. So I think it would be a good idea to kinda screen the editors as well. I'd assume you aren't going to just randomly draw numbers from a hat, but instead listen to all the audio submissions and kinda break them up accordingly to editors that have the potential to do them justice. I don't want to submit something, like a song that is incredibly fast paced for example, and have an editor that does mostly slow drama totally botch the editing. (No offense intended toward anyone in the project.)

I don't think you'll need to contact people and tell them who is after who, but a little bit of prep work by watching a couple of each editors vids and loosely matching them with audio that is at least within their editing range would be preferable if we're going for a quality project. It can still be random and improv, just a little cut here and there of the audio-to-editor matchings that absolutely wouldn't work out.

I guess it's a thin line between making a totally random Iron Chef style MEP and an actual "improv" MEP geared toward quality viewing. Just a thought.
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Postby NS » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:45 am

That wouldn't work, Because Having not finished a vid for 8 months, and having accidently deleted all my shit before uploading anything decent here, crack has nothing to go off of, in my case at least.
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Postby Kisanzi » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:43 am

NerdStrudel wrote:That wouldn't work, Because Having not finished a vid for 8 months, and having accidently deleted all my shit before uploading anything decent here, crack has nothing to go off of, in my case at least.


I'm not saying to specifically match each editor perfectly with certain types of music. Just merely suggesting to explore the chance of making interesting editor-to-music combos that might yield more amazing results than just randomly throwing around all the music. I'm not saying narrow down the possibility for certain editors to get certain songs, just to consider who might do well with a certain song and such.
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Postby Greggus1 » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:15 am

kisanzi wrote:
NerdStrudel wrote:That wouldn't work, Because Having not finished a vid for 8 months, and having accidently deleted all my shit before uploading anything decent here, crack has nothing to go off of, in my case at least.


I'm not saying to specifically match each editor perfectly with certain types of music. Just merely suggesting to explore the chance of making interesting editor-to-music combos that might yield more amazing results than just randomly throwing around all the music. I'm not saying narrow down the possibility for certain editors to get certain songs, just to consider who might do well with a certain song and such.

He can definitely try, but there are so many editors who don't focus on a certain style, yet haven't tried many genres, and so it's kinda impossible to know how effective they'd be with them. Which again, is kinda the point of the MEP, I believe to have understood. Giving editors audio they couldn't even imagine editing with in the first place, right?

We're all going to do our best, but I don't believe (And correct me if I'm wrong, Ben) this project's main goal is to produce an objectively excellent final result. That's just the icing on the cake. If the editors are challenged, and learn from the challenge, and the final product presents some very original audio and editing, the objectives are fulfilled. To me at least, seeing a track by a drama editor paired with some crazy techno mix WOULD be very interesting, because I'd love to see how he handled it. Improv, right?

In any case, if Crack was trying to produce the best MEP he could, he wouldn't have just accepted anyone who posted. So his intentions do lie elsewhere, I believe (Again, correct me if I haven't grasped this right at all.).
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Postby CrackTheSky » Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:15 pm

Greggus1 wrote:A bunch of stuff.

Greg kinda nailed it here. While I understand where you're coming from kisanzi, I've made it a point (multiple times, I do believe) that anyone not willing to edit anything should not be a part of this MEP. The point, like Greg said, is not to make a really kickass, well-edited MEP - though if that happens, huzzah. The point is for editors to challenge themselves and if that means being handed a track that they initially may feel overwhelmed by, then so be it. That's what they signed up for. I'm not about to go and download multiple AMVs by every editor involved in this project so I can get a feel for what they might be good at - that's not exactly possible for me, and besides as I've already said it would defeat the purpose. Some tracks are going to be "better" than other tracks, but if an editor honestly puts forward his best effort at editing to audio he may be completely unfamiliar with, and the end result still sucks, then the purpose of his joining the MEP has been fulfilled.

I will say it once more for everyone involved: If you are not willing to edit to any and everything, please drop out right now.
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Postby Kisanzi » Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:20 pm

CrackTheSky wrote:
Greggus1 wrote:A bunch of stuff.

More Stuff.


No worries guys, I getcha. I just wanted to make sure that challenging the editors was still the focus. By reading the recent posts I got a bit confused because it sounds like some people are taking this project in a different direction than the original idea, so I was gauging what the actual goal still was. I have no question people will have fun with this project and as long as they put forth a trying effort then it will be good stuff.
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Postby Bauzi » Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:47 pm

The only things I hope:
-Nobody trolls
That means,... No bullshit songs. In my eyes the song should be challenging, unique and not something completly studpid. At least I do so
-It turns out good
Mix, parts etc. The usual stuff
-My editing time
isn´t when I have to much stuff to do xD I want to do my best. As far as I know Ben has the image of me of someone who can edit to effort. Let´s not dissapoint him =P
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