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Postby Keeper of Hellfire » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:15 pm

badmartialarts wrote:For top-of-the-line editing, you want a fast RAID array for your 'working' drive (the drive you render to), and for truly serious editing you'd want another fast RAID array for your 'source' drive (though for the source drive, size takes precedence over speed).
That's wrong by any means. Your source drive has at least to be as fast as your render drive. You can't render faster than you provide the source. And because the rendering itself takes time too, it better is faster. Because the sources usually are randomly accessed, while the output can be written continously (assuming a defragmented drive), short access times are good for the source drives. So if you have 2 7.200 rpm drives (to keep it affordable) in RAID 0 as source drives, one 10.000 rpm drive for rendering would be enough.
badmartialarts wrote: Processor. Actually, this isn't nearly as important as the first two,..
You don't use much effects, right? If you use much effects, or in the near future HD resolutions, the CPU can't be fast enough. Your fast hard drives become really useless if they run idle because they have to wait for the CPU.
badmartialarts wrote:Graphics accelerators actually usually aren't used by editing programs, but some of them can offload some of their effects to them for faster processing.
It depends much on the NLE. Many don't take any advantage of a fast graphics card, some use it for some tasks, but for example the NLE I'm using can perform any render task (preview, worksheet, final) via OpenGL, so a fast OpenGL card would give it a real kick. So check out what your NLE recommends.
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Postby Gepetto » Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:46 pm

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badmartialarts wrote:8 GB of memory

Of course, you would need a 64-bit OS if you didn't want half of that going to waste.


Really? How come?
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Postby Keeper of Hellfire » Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:01 pm

Because a 32 Bit OS can't adress more. 2^32 = 4.294.967.296 = 4GB
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Postby Gepetto » Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:57 pm

That is so immensely useful and good to know. I'll keep that in mind (I intend to buy a new comp when I move to a bigger place in April) Thanks. :D
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:58 pm

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BasharOfTheAges wrote:It's only worth it if you really want to run OSX - Getting all the stuff together in terms of compatibility lists took a week and I wasn't involvved.


I'm actually seriously interested in this, since I can't upgrade my PC anymore. Can you point me somewhere?


I'll try to contact my roomate for the part lists he was working with.
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Postby badmartialarts » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:03 pm

Keeper of Hellfire is right, I am a moron...I thought writing to/reading from the render/project drive was the major bottleneck. :oops:

As for processor, I'm still not convinced that a sane level of effects can short it out, but you're right, I hardly use effects. Besides, I'm patient. And far too poor to afford a system that could possibly do any real-time effects work. :)
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Postby shadowninja777 » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:38 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
Kionon wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:It's only worth it if you really want to run OSX - Getting all the stuff together in terms of compatibility lists took a week and I wasn't involvved.


I'm actually seriously interested in this, since I can't upgrade my PC anymore. Can you point me somewhere?


I'll try to contact my roomate for the part lists he was working with.


ok cool
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Postby post-it » Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:04 pm

umm .. dumb question - maybe;

this almost sounds like a Gaming Designers PC ( looking at the Spec's ) .. are you sure you really want to go that route ?

1) they are extremely fast - yes.

2) they are the newest on the market - $$$

3) they are the most un-stable platforms to work with -- should you decide to go on-line!

I use mine for Animation and design trials but never will I ever put it on-line 8-)

... just curious
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:21 pm

post-it wrote:3) they are the most un-stable platforms to work with -- should you decide to go on-line!


What exactly are you basing this statement on?
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Postby post-it » Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:05 am

Windows Vista ... I put XP on the HD and the computer called "XP" a Virus ^_______^ hehe
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Postby ZephyrStar » Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:56 am

Build your own.

Ram: 4gb. (I like kingston or crucial)

Proc: latest intel duo or comparable amd (not done my research here as I still have a pent 4 3.0ghz, but it still works fine, and I do vid editing and lots of 3d work)

Mobo: spend money on it, don't get the bargain here, get the nicest chipset you can. Your processor and ram are limited by your chipset, as is upgradability. (I like intel boards and asus.)

Hard Drives: Get whatever the best deal is for gb/$ in terms of hard drives, but I would agree you'd want a boot/os drive, and 2 sets of disks, one for source and one for target. (I like WD and Seagate drives, I would advise against using Maxtor, I've seen a lot of those die)
Currently I have 3 storage drives (all WD), and they are NOT set up in raid, but I do a fair amount of rendering back and forth between them, and they're fine. Raid just saves you in case one of the drives decides to die. I keep my 3rd drive for backup of project directories.

Video: Don't spend a fortune here, a decent gaming card will work fine. I have a Radeon 9800 128mb (256bit), and I use 3dsmax all the time. Still works fine. Unless you're gonna be doing high end 3d and painting a bunch of insane stuff in zbrush, you don't need a Quatro (although they're nice :Q)

The key here is to build a solid machine for under 2000$ and not spend what you don't have to. Don't think you need the latest hardware to get the job done, or that it's gonna be THAT much faster. You can use the rest of the money for software, or a camera, or other gear you might need. Always buy right under the curve of the newest hardware, so you get the most power/best deal for your money.

and... DON'T RUN VISTA.

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Postby Keeper of Hellfire » Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:07 am

ZephyrStar wrote:Raid just saves you in case one of the drives decides to die.
Not all raid level provide more safety. The suggested RAID0 doesn't provide more safety, in opposite, for example a RAID0 array of 2 drives doubles the chance of a drive failure. And if one of the drives has a failure, the data at the other is lost too. That's the price you pay for getting a cheap double capacity double speed drive. Since you usually have a backup of the sources, the higher risk doesn't matter.
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Postby shadowninja777 » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:57 pm

ZephyrStar wrote:Build your own.

Ram: 4gb. (I like kingston or crucial)

Proc: latest intel duo or comparable amd (not done my research here as I still have a pent 4 3.0ghz, but it still works fine, and I do vid editing and lots of 3d work)

Mobo: spend money on it, don't get the bargain here, get the nicest chipset you can. Your processor and ram are limited by your chipset, as is upgradability. (I like intel boards and asus.)

Hard Drives: Get whatever the best deal is for gb/$ in terms of hard drives, but I would agree you'd want a boot/os drive, and 2 sets of disks, one for source and one for target. (I like WD and Seagate drives, I would advise against using Maxtor, I've seen a lot of those die)
Currently I have 3 storage drives (all WD), and they are NOT set up in raid, but I do a fair amount of rendering back and forth between them, and they're fine. Raid just saves you in case one of the drives decides to die. I keep my 3rd drive for backup of project directories.

Video: Don't spend a fortune here, a decent gaming card will work fine. I have a Radeon 9800 128mb (256bit), and I use 3dsmax all the time. Still works fine. Unless you're gonna be doing high end 3d and painting a bunch of insane stuff in zbrush, you don't need a Quatro (although they're nice :Q)

The key here is to build a solid machine for under 2000$ and not spend what you don't have to. Don't think you need the latest hardware to get the job done, or that it's gonna be THAT much faster. You can use the rest of the money for software, or a camera, or other gear you might need. Always buy right under the curve of the newest hardware, so you get the most power/best deal for your money.

and... DON'T RUN VISTA.

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