So... what if I actually WANT subtitles?

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So... what if I actually WANT subtitles?

Postby comorbid » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:12 am

Ok, so I decided that I want to get some of my DVDs onto my PSP (specifically, foreign ones with no english dub, hence the need for the subs). I downloaded the AMVApp, and picked a random chapter from my 301/302 DVD in IFO mode with stream processing enabled. I've tried all three ways in IFO mode to process the subtitle stream, but trying to use the VSFilter plugin (which seems to be "the" way to do it, according to all the other sites I've checked) with VDubMod to superimpose the subs doesn't work (nor does adding them to the stream list).

I open the .avs in VDubMod, add the filter, and it opens up the dialog where I choose the subtitle file. When I choose the subtitle file that DVD Decrypter made, and click OK, it just goes back to the main filter window, with nothing added. I tried it with the VobSub filter and the TextSub filter, and the same thing happens with both.

I've also noticed that if I rip the .VOBs straight and play them in VLC, there's no subtitle option. So is DVD Decrypter actually even processing the sub streams or not?

I was thinking about just buying the PSP Media Manager (though I really don't want to, having already learned how to do it myself... except for transferring the subs, obviously), but if it doesn't handle subs, then I don't really have a reason to get it.

Anyway, has anyone managed to get a DVD to any other video format with the subs intact?
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Postby Scintilla » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:33 am

Even if you look at the output window in VirtualDubMod instead of the input window?

Just another reason I like SmartRipper better: its stream processing options clearly label all the streams and what each one is so you know whether to include, demux, or ignore each one.
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Postby comorbid » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:46 am

Yeah, I dragged the scrubber and played both windows and saw nothing. And IFO mode in DVD Decrypter is pretty much the same as SmartRipper's default setup. When I get back home, I can do a screencap to show you what I mean.
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:00 am

So you have a DVD without a dub in the language it has subs in?
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Postby comorbid » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:06 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:So you have a DVD without a dub in the language it has subs in?

Right. No english dub.
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:35 pm

Old release, or bootleg? Either may explain a problem.
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Postby JaddziaDax » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:51 pm

could be one of the new media blaster's releases... they never dubbed Sukisyo, Loveless or Princess Princess (though i donno if thats their taste) theres also Cardcaptor Sakura O.o or the uncut Sailor Moon
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Postby Qyot27 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:09 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:could be one of the new media blaster's releases... they never dubbed Sukisyo, Loveless or Princess Princess (though i donno if thats their taste) theres also Cardcaptor Sakura O.o or the uncut Sailor Moon

Bandai also released/is releasing Gunbuster and Gunbuster 2/Diebuster without dubs too, apparently.
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:23 pm

I know it was done a lot on the cross-over from VHS to DVD. I had no idea they did it now though - I guess licensing fees are a lot less than paying for VAs.
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Postby Kitsuner » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:40 pm

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JaddziaDax wrote:could be one of the new media blaster's releases... they never dubbed Sukisyo, Loveless or Princess Princess (though i donno if thats their taste) theres also Cardcaptor Sakura O.o or the uncut Sailor Moon

Bandai also released/is releasing Gunbuster and Gunbuster 2/Diebuster without dubs too, apparently.

Not to mention TRSI's release of Super GALS Season 2. :(
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Postby JaddziaDax » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:27 pm

in the case of Media Blasters - they only seem to be doing it with the "gay" anime they are licencing >.< as they dubbed Green Green :/ which was released around the same time as Loveless :/ but for me it makes it cheaper :P so even though i do like to be lazy and watch a dub every now and again, i guess i cant complain too much (i got sukisyo for $30 total - entire series)
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Postby comorbid » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:01 pm

It's an official, U.S. retail-release DVD that I bought at Tower video, not a bootleg. It's a live-action, Korean film, called 301/302, and it's not just this DVD that I have the issue with, I've tried with other discs that I own, anime or otherwise, all purchased from places like Tower, Best Buy, Sam Goody, etc., and have the same problem.

This is (basically) what I'm doing - here's DVD Decrypter in IFO mode (Gunsmith Cats was the closest DVD to my chair so that's why you see it in the screencaps, the specific title being ripped happens to be episode 2):

<img src="http://pics.livejournal.com/comorbid/pic/0008bsx4" width="559" height="353">
<img src="http://pics.livejournal.com/comorbid/pic/0008c17s" width="559" height="353">

When I choose to Demux the subtitles, it creates a .SUB file with a pretty detailed name. This is what it looks like in Notepad, if it matters (yeah, that's basically what the entire file looks like, all the way to the end):

<img src="http://pics.livejournal.com/comorbid/pic/0008d52f" width="490" height="444">

When I export the subs to a raw format, it creates a .SUB file with the same name, except with the addition of the word "RAW," Which looks the same in Notepad. I figured that was worth mentioning, because I've exported .MKV subs which showed up as plain text in notepad, but I don't really know how much of a difference there is in the two formats.

Anyway, when I choose "Direct Stream Copy," no file is output, and playing the .VOBs in VLC yields no option for subtitles. I can switch between audio tracks, but there are no subtitles, whatsoever.

After I run it though DGIndex, and load the .avs into VDM, and go to the filters, I (obviously) see this:

<img src="http://pics.livejournal.com/comorbid/pic/0008a540" width="519" height="332">

Then when I choose TextSub (mentioning the VobSub plugin here is pretty much irrelevant because it yields the EXACT SAME RESULT in the end - which is NOTHING), I get this dialog:

<img src="http://pics.livejournal.com/comorbid/pic/00089p8b" width="426" height="290">

I've tried it with every character set using both the demuxed and raw subs, and each time I click "Open," it goes back to:

<img src="http://pics.livejournal.com/comorbid/pic/0008a540" width="519" height="332">

Now... based on past experience with adding VDub filters... SOMETHING SHOULD BE THERE, :x but it's obviously not (which is why I didn't bother making a duplicate screenshot). All the other filters show up if I add them, just not TextSub or VobSub, and no subtitles show up in the output preview window.

Did I leave anything out?
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Postby Purge » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:59 pm

somtimes you have to wait a bit to get the subtitle option to appear in VLC when playing vobs directly.

i think theres an added bit of complication when ripping subs from a dvd on account that they are stored as a sort of picture file on dvd's and are needed to be converted to acsii characters to be used with vobsub. you should be able to google some guides for dvd subtitle conversion. If i need subs i usually just search those dvd subtitle databases and they usually have it already in .srt or .ssa form so i can just use textsub filter to add it in.
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Postby Qyot27 » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:41 pm

Demux the vobs with the subtitles still in there - this is trivial with SmartRipper, I've not really dealt with DVD Decrypter enough to know how to do that. Then use SubRip and directly open the VOB or IFO (can't remember which; just make sure that your ripping program does write out the IFO also just in case you do need it) - it'll detect the subtitles, and then you have two options:

The Foolproof but Tedious way:
Set SubRip up so it outputs Bitmap files and an SRT script with image references. Then, manually go through the bitmap files and type in the correct dialogue yourself in the corresponding places (which is made much simpler because SRT is really just plain text - you can do this in Notepad).

The Less-Foolproof, but maybe less Tedious way:
Use the OCD functions of SubRip natively to do this, which means you have to 'teach' it what the letters look like and it'll convert the subs to text in an SRT without user input. The problem, though, is that often the 'teaching' doesn't stick and you have to keep giving it the same letters over and over, and even if it does stick there's the possibility that A) Things get misspelled due to font eccentricities or what-have-you; B) Proper spacing is ignored, making words and sentences run together; or C) Both - in all three cases manually fixing it is necessary for it to look right. I don't recall a single time I've ever used the OCD function that the resulting subtitle file came out without issues, which is why I usually stick to the Tedious way of typing it all up myself if I really care about it.
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Postby Qyot27 » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:43 pm

Qyot27 wrote:Demux the vobs with the subtitles still in there

Man, I'm tired. I meant to type 'Decrypt', and actually just meant not to demux anything when you save the file to the hard drive.
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