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Ergo Proxy

Postby paizuri » Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:32 am

This is the official Ergo Proxy discussion thread.

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Postby Kirara_Kitty » Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:26 pm

Just wondering if anyone has seen the new anime from Geneon. Here is a summery of the series:

Ergo Proxy takes place in the domed city of Romdo, the last paradise on the planet. Re-l Mayer, (or Real in the Japanese version) is an inspector at the Intelligence Bereau. She, along with entourage Iggy are assigned to take care of rogue/murderous robots or AutoReivs that are infected with the cogito virus.

During one particular case, Re-l encounters a monster called a Proxy and then things are never quite the same in city. A variety of interesting characters are introduced later on such as Vincent Law, an immigrant from the city of Mosque. Pino, an infected AutoReiv, Raul Creed, chief of the Citizen Security Bereau, and Daedalus Yumeno, the Director of the Division of Health and Welfare.

The story line gets fairly complex, but none the less an amazing series. You can check out the opening at youtube.com, (I'd add the link, but for some reason it won't let me do it :? )
If that doesn't get you into this anime, then I don't know what to tell you. I know that it sure got me interested. :wink:
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Postby Reikah » Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:19 pm

I think this is a fantastic series, yet it's not for everyone. When I first started it I thought it'd be a more typical post-apocolyptic monster series, but I quickly discovered that it consisted of layers upon layers of ideas that are not easily summed up.

One of my favourite aspects of it is the care taken in the names. Almost each and every name has historical ties that reflect on the personality of the individual: Daedalus, Romdeau, Husserl, Turring, Amrita, Centzon... the list goes on.

I love the characters - Vincent and Pino especially. Their development is really enjoyable to watch, and is what keeps me watching the show over and over again.

The series begs for futher discussion once it's been completed since the last few episodes are so abstract. I can see how some people may feel that it panders a bit too much to the quasi-insightful cyber-punk crowd, but it truly is an amazingly planned out, innovative series.

And it looks great too.
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Postby Kalium » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:55 pm

Re-l. 124C41+.

Oh man. I remember the translation notes in the fansubs. Those were impressive.

Sadly, the DVDs seem to lack this sort of detailing.
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Postby Kirara_Kitty » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:52 pm

Hmm I've only seen the first episode on dvd and the rest were fansubs so thats interesting about the fansub translations.

There was one thing that I really didn't understand was why the second Monad looked like Re-l. I was hoping that someone could help explain it to me cause I was just lost :? The story gets hard to follow after like episode 19 or 20. I hope that the ending wasn't as confusing for you guys like it was for me lol.

But overall it was an amazing series with beautiful art. The segments where Vincent throws out his arms and when they show the kneeling, infected AutoReivs gives me shivers everytime.

@Reikah- Yea Pino and Vincent are so cute together. I love the part when it shows the two of them trying to walk on the tin cans.^^
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Postby SacredArrow18 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:59 am

I am bringing up this discussion thread back, because I definitely love this series after just watching the 1st volume on dvd. It has an amazing sci-fi story. and I love the animation, its different from all the rest and it has that darkness to it that reall intrigues me. And the storyline is a bit confusing, but well I still got the grasp of what was going on in the 4 episodes I watched.

I highly recommend this series to anyone that enjoy's sci-fi, although sci-fi isn't my type, but well this series is really good and I enjoyed watching it. it kept me intrigued in watching the episodes wanting to see more and more. So hopefully I will get the 2nd volume soon once I get paid.
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Postby lord kal-el » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:38 pm

There was one thing that I really didn't understand was why the second Monad looked like Re-l. I was hoping that someone could help explain it to me cause I was just lost The story gets hard to follow after like episode 19 or 20. I hope that the ending wasn't as confusing for you guys like it was for me lol.


The second monad was a clone made By Daedalus, he wanted to create a God that looked like Re-I and at the same time it could have all the powers of a Proxy.

The ending was a little confusing but all the lose tieds are solved. Proxy One was really a clone made by Ergo Proxy to replace him and he forgot about that, he unlike the others Proxy hated the humans because he thought that they eventually will destroy all his kind. All the 300 Proxys were created for this, each one ruled a dome where they could created more humans as gods never to be seen.

The only thing thats was left unresolves was the 'creator' that aparentlky lives in a Satellite, he was mentioned a lot of times as the father and enemies of the poroxys but they never who his face. Of course i could be wrong.



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Postby Dark Confusion » Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:18 am


The only thing thats was left unresolves was the 'creator' that aparentlky lives in a Satellite, he was mentioned a lot of times as the father and enemies of the poroxys but they never who his face. Of course i could be wrong.

He lives in a Satellite? Well that's an amusing thought hehe. Glad to read your post though, it cleared some things up

Anyhow, this anime is really gorgeous (when the art is well drawn that is. Not when they're lazy with it). Just so beautiful!

I loved Pino and Real ^^ And for silly reasons I am uber happy Vincent ended the series looking, not like a wimp, but like the cool dude we all know he is 8-) (I however hate his outfit... Looks like a big diaper)

But the ending just screams sequel to me. I want an OVA. Or something. Final conclusion in a manga or whatever.

Or was everything crystal clear and I just missed something? (wouldn't be surprised)

Great series though! :up:
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Postby Kirara_Kitty » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:43 pm

lord kal-el wrote:
There was one thing that I really didn't understand was why the second Monad looked like Re-l. I was hoping that someone could help explain it to me cause I was just lost The story gets hard to follow after like episode 19 or 20. I hope that the ending wasn't as confusing for you guys like it was for me lol.


The second monad was a clone made By Daedalus, he wanted to create a God that looked like Re-I and at the same time it could have all the powers of a Proxy.



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Thanks for clearing that up it makes more sense now.

Yay, the discussion is back up!^^

The one thing about this series that surprised me a little was how, say for an example, you are first introduced to Re-l in the first episode. I assumed that she was going to be just another one of those kick-ass-and-take-names chick, (which she is^^) that was somewhat honorable in some perspectives, but it was interesting to discover later on the Re-l could actually be very rude and stuck up most of the time. There were some moments where she came across as a big pain in the ass. I just thought that it was somethin different, I dunno what other people thought, but thats just what I was able to make out for Re-l's character.
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Postby Yarry » Thu May 17, 2007 4:56 am

The one thing about this series that surprised me a little was how, say for an example, you are first introduced to Re-l in the first episode. I assumed that she was going to be just another one of those kick-ass-and-take-names chick, (which she is^^) that was somewhat honorable in some perspectives, but it was interesting to discover later on the Re-l could actually be very rude and stuck up most of the time. There were some moments where she came across as a big pain in the ass. I just thought that it was somethin different, I dunno what other people thought, but thats just what I was able to make out for Re-l's character.


I was definitely surprised to find out that (spoiler?) Re-l wasn't even the "real" main character at first.

Vincent isn't excatly your typical main character of a serie.

Anyway, I loved the whole thing. It was amazingly detailed through and through. And I loved how the anime constantly refered to mythology, poetry etc etc.

Definitely one of the best Animes I've seen so far, and I started out watching it because I was bored and had nothing to do. With no real expectations to the ANime.
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Postby Yarry » Thu May 17, 2007 4:57 am

Yarry wrote:
The one thing about this series that surprised me a little was how, say for an example, you are first introduced to Re-l in the first episode. I assumed that she was going to be just another one of those kick-ass-and-take-names chick, (which she is^^) that was somewhat honorable in some perspectives, but it was interesting to discover later on the Re-l could actually be very rude and stuck up most of the time. There were some moments where she came across as a big pain in the ass. I just thought that it was somethin different, I dunno what other people thought, but thats just what I was able to make out for Re-l's character.


I was definitely surprised to find out that (spoiler?) Re-l wasn't even the "real" main character at first. It seemed to be yet another "kick ass girl, looks gorgeous and kicks ass". You know, the standard boy-oriented Anime.

Vincent isn't excatly your typical main character of a serie.

Anyway, I loved the whole thing. It was amazingly detailed through and through. And I loved how the anime constantly refered to mythology, poetry etc etc.

Definitely one of the best Animes I've seen so far, and I started out watching it because I was bored and had nothing to do. With no real expectations to the ANime.
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Postby Yarry » Thu May 17, 2007 4:58 am

Argh, sorry about replying twice, it's stupid how you can edit your posts some places on this forum but can't on others.
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Postby totoum » Thu May 17, 2007 7:01 pm

Yarry wrote:
I was definitely surprised to find out that (spoiler?) Re-l wasn't even the "real" main character at first.

Vincent isn't excatly your typical main character of a serie.


yeah,at first when i was watching the opening credits (which are wonderful by the way),my thought was "why is vincent the first character shown,re-l's the main character." but a few episodes in,i realised he was the main character.

Favorite episode is episode 16,i love it,especialy the absence of music for a good 15 minutes.
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Postby Yarry » Sat May 19, 2007 6:08 am

totoum wrote:Favorite episode is episode 16,i love it,especialy the absence of music for a good 15 minutes.


Goes for me aswell, have seen that episode a dusin of times compared to the rest of the series.
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Postby Blanco22 » Sat May 19, 2007 12:22 pm

Dark Confusion wrote:But the ending just screams sequel to me. I want an OVA. Or something. Final conclusion in a manga or whatever.

Or was everything crystal clear and I just missed something? (wouldn't be surprised)


I think the ending wrapped up the series just fine.

[spoiler]In the end, Vincent finally comes to terms with who he is. He erases his memory to escape his identity and responsibility. Vincent, like many of the other proxies, thinks the task of resurrecting humanity is futile. Even if they do succeed, they won't be needed after humanity is back on its feet. They can't even live under a blue sky and will eventually die. Second, I believe that Vincent is the Proxy of Death because it is his job to kill all the other Proxies. The sun doesn't kill him so that he can travel from dome to dome to search and destroy the remaining proxies. He doesn't want to do this either.

By going on his journey to Mosque and back, Vincent realizes that there is hope for the world. Soon the world will be reborn and humanity can live outside again. He comes to believe that humanity can be rebuilt and live in the outside world. He also accepts that he is the Proxy of Death. He chooses not to run away anymore and to face reality.

It becomes apparent that the humans can't survive in the dome without a Proxy. The Administrator decides to do nothing and simply waits for a slow death. Raul at least tries to do something, but Daedalus's attempt to reengineer humans fails. Neither Raul, nor the Administrator is willing to give up on the dome. But Vincent makes the decision to tough it out and build a new life for humans in the recovering wasteland. They all wanted humanity to survive. It was just a matter of how and where its future lay.

With Vincent accepting his identity and the new course of humanity set, there would be nothing left to cover in a sequel or an OVA. I would have liked to see a little more finality between Vince and Re-l, but romance wasn't a big part of the series so I didn't expect much there. I just imagine things worked out there.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the Creator doesn't live in a satellite. I'm not sure where that idea came from. I thought that the Creator was literally a god. Who else could create near immortal beings who had enough scientific knowledge to create a fully functional dome, an artificial reproduction system, and autoreivs? [/spoiler]
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