Round 1 Results - Complete!

Re: Round 1 Results - Group C Available

Postby xDreww » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:48 am

lloyd9988 wrote:I disagree with the results :P

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Re: Round 1 Results - Group C Available

Postby lloyd9988 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:21 am

xDreww wrote:
lloyd9988 wrote:I disagree with the results :P

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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby xLunax » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:25 am

the judges are so weird...ok one group, two group..but now i'm scared |:>
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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby xLunax » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:30 am

xLunax wrote:the judges are so weird...ok one group, two group..but now i'm scared |:>

I am not going to deny but seriously? Mamo and Fall-Child does not deserve this ranking. I'm kinda dissapointed about this even FadingSunDown could be at least 4th
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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby Centurione » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:40 am

FadingSundown wrote:Cant believe I lost to the game... I enjoyed it too for one time, but I thought it was a troll entry. Besides I also thought game footage was not allowed, I mean .hack, those are anime game/films, but this was Zelda and stuff. Was my scene selection btw that bad : /? I followed the lyrics, stayed at sync but lost. Sorry for the rant, but im not very pleased considering the time and effort I put into it.

Anyway, congratz to those who made it to round 2.


I did put Fall_Child's vid over yours in my placing, so guess I'm gonna explain why.
I suppose this is a situation where the concept wins over everything else. Putting the allowance of video game footage aside, I found the video hilarious and immensly enjoyable. Troll videos are actually also videos and when the troll works out and it actually IS funny, it's a HUGE plus for the vid. I didn't know how other judges would see it so I placed it in the winning 4 to appreciate that awesome trolling.
When we look at sync - in your video it's alright and that's all. There are cuts in places where they should be but isn't it the same with Fall_Child's vid? It has quite a lot of internal sync actually and it's obvious he couldn't rape us with cuts with this choice of footage. Lyric sync? It was noticable in a few moments in your vid but since the song's lyrics are 'general' and basically any upbeat romantic scenes would fit them, the literal sync Fall_Child used was more entertaining for kinda obvious reasons.
Your video has some pretty decent editing, source choice and scene selection. But it's exactly what everyone would expect with this type of song. It has a few minuses like pretty noticable song cut, poor lip sync and a few other tiny flaws. Fall_Child's vid was kind of a do-or-die. His vid was the most original in the pack, made me laugh and I don't think I'm gonna forget that vid for quite long while your vid was just another typical romantic edit. Don't get me wrong, it was decent and it was something expected for this kind of song. But because of that, the other vid surprised me in a positive way and that's why I decided to put it above yours.

Just sayin'
Btw I was hesitating a damn lot while judging this group and I don't think I'd ever be sure whether my placing was right.

And it's supposed to be fun after all! If you sincererly believe your vid was better than the ones who won - alright! Everyone has their taste and judging will never be totally objective. Maybe you're unlucky cause all 5 judges accidentally did like something more in another vid than yours, and what was in yours wasn't particularly interesting while for others it would be. Come on, I don't think any of judges puts placings randomly or 'ahh, I'm sad today so I'm gonna place the worst vid as 1st today cause I'm sad'. This is my first judging ever, I place vids the way I think they should be placed. If you disagree about my choice, then sorry, luck isn't on your side.
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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby Chiiisus » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:23 am

Centurione wrote:stuff + If you disagree about my choice, then sorry, luck isn't on your side.


I feel like you went a bit too far with your comments there, what you said came across as a harsh to me.
But that's just me.
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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby Chiiisus » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:27 am

sorry for the double post,

It doesn't matter if it's just funny, judging is based on other areas too, I was once about how you shouldn't judge based on how much you liked a video, you need to focus on other stuff too and being in the Quickening I noticed this a lot more. I did like Todd's video, and I'm glad it got through but for me Fading was in the top 4. Like I said, that's just me.
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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby Centurione » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:34 am

Chiiisus wrote:I feel like you went a bit too far with your comments there, what you said came across as a harsh to me.
But that's just me.


Nah, now as I read it, it is harsh. Sorry for that, that was kind of too... straight :sweat:

Anyway, what I mean, is that at least I do my best in judging, I try to be fair. That's true judging should be based on particular criteria but in my opinion, it's better to look at the video as a whole. Cause when you just type out pluses and minuses and for example one minus will ruin the whole video and in other vid there are like 4 typed out but none of them is something big, it gets kinda disproportional. That's why I look at vids more overall.

With that luck, I was trying to say that I might actually suck as a judge, who knows, but well, I think it would be better if I said it as 'it's not your fault but also not mine'. Sorry for that once again. Hope you get my point :sweat:
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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby FadingSundown » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:49 am

Centurione wrote:I did put Fall_Child's vid over yours in my placing, so guess I'm gonna explain why.
I suppose this is a situation where the concept wins over everything else. Putting the allowance of video game footage aside, I found the video hilarious and immensly enjoyable. Troll videos are actually also videos and when the troll works out and it actually IS funny, it's a HUGE plus for the vid. I didn't know how other judges would see it so I placed it in the winning 4 to appreciate that awesome trolling.
When we look at sync - in your video it's alright and that's all. There are cuts in places where they should be but isn't it the same with Fall_Child's vid? It has quite a lot of internal sync actually and it's obvious he couldn't rape us with cuts with this choice of footage. Lyric sync? It was noticable in a few moments in your vid but since the song's lyrics are 'general' and basically any upbeat romantic scenes would fit them, the literal sync Fall_Child used was more entertaining for kinda obvious reasons.
Your video has some pretty decent editing, source choice and scene selection. But it's exactly what everyone would expect with this type of song. It has a few minuses like pretty noticable song cut, poor lip sync and a few other tiny flaws. Fall_Child's vid was kind of a do-or-die. His vid was the most original in the pack, made me laugh and I don't think I'm gonna forget that vid for quite long while your vid was just another typical romantic edit. Don't get me wrong, it was decent and it was something expected for this kind of song. But because of that, the other vid surprised me in a positive way and that's why I decided to put it above yours.


I dont think a vid should be about how much fun it was to watch. In contest like these, it should be about everything at once, the editing, the sync and such. And the sync in FallChilds vid is rather slow, of you listen to the music. I am not attacking his/her video, and I hope that the editor does not feel that way. But I am stating my personal opinion here. I did put lyric sync in my video, and yes the lyrics are general, but I dont think that literal sync is more entertaining than 'obvious reasons'. I think you got kind of sick of this song too, and that his vid was a good break from the romantic videos in the pack. I truly believe that many people found it entertaining. But to bias your judgement on how much it was entertaining is kind of shallow in my view. Centurione quote: ''Your video has some pretty decent editing, source choice and scene selection. But it's exactly what everyone would expect with this type of song. Your vid was just another typical romantic edit.'' Doesnt that apply to most of the editor edits in the pack? I mean, the Air AMV seemed more generic than mine I think, and Im not saying I should be 2nd, and Im not attacking Mamo, but your reasoning seems opposite with your judging. And yes, the AMV I made is something you expect with this song, because it fits.

Centurione wrote:Just sayin'
Btw I was hesitating a damn lot while judging this group and I don't think I'd ever be sure whether my placing was right.

And it's supposed to be fun after all! If you sincererly believe your vid was better than the ones who won - alright! Everyone has their taste and judging will never be totally objective. Maybe you're unlucky cause all 5 judges accidentally did like something more in another vid than yours, and what was in yours wasn't particularly interesting while for others it would be. Come on, I don't think any of judges puts placings randomly or 'ahh, I'm sad today so I'm gonna place the worst vid as 1st today cause I'm sad'. This is my first judging ever, I place vids the way I think they should be placed. If you disagree about my choice, then sorry, luck isn't on your side.


The first half of your post was quite friendly, but this half has a mindset that gives of: 'Im the judge here, and I don't care if you agree or not.' And im not attacking you here, but you could bring it friendlier. I don't think my AMV was particulary much better than the others, but it seems like you just threw editing/sync out of the judging, and based everything on concept or how much you enjoyed it. Which is, in my opinion, not how it should be or how it should appear to be. And I dont base this solely on the result from group F. In some of the groups the judging seems a tad off too. For instance, in group C. The vid with pure sync won over the amv which had a good story and sync. And I am not mad or anything, but I just disagree. I am not disregarding any of the other editors, and I hope I've made that clear, but I cant agree with the placing that has been giving.
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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby Centurione » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:02 am

Seriously, I really feel bad about that first post now and I'm saying sorry for it once again.

I chose bad words for that second part and it was my mistake. Well, I think I explained that clearly in the previous post, didn't mean to harm anyone with it (kinda didn't turn out, hope I will be forgiven).

I judge the way I think is alright and I'm going to continue it. I do what I think is best with it, I do my best to be fair but opinions will always differ. That's why we have a few judges, right?

We disagree in a few points here and it can't be helped. Sorry once again, I behaved pretty badly there.
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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby Radical_Yue » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:16 am

Figured I might as well post before the tin foil hats come out and people start throwing the "drama" tag around. |:>


On the subject of video game footage, originally it was not allowed. This was primarily because 1) I didn't think anyone would actually use any and 2) in case you missed the VCAs, it's a bitch to confirm. Yes, the rule was amended after the contest actually started because someone came to me and said "Hey, I want to use X in my video." This person wasn't even Fall_Child42. If Dj_Ultima was honestly planning on using video game footage for every single round from start to finish, that's actually something I'd love to see and I sincerely apologize if that rule was the single deterrent that caused her to go elsewhere. If she wants to sign up next year and do that, fuckin' AWESOME. :up:


As for the rankings, I'll be totally frank when I say that we're not always going to agree with what makes it in and what doesn't. There have been quite a few rounds where I've been calculating the results and had the reaction of "Really? Not what I would've gone with but ok." Personally, I wouldn't have put either FadingSundown or Fall_Child42 into the next round. Don't get me wrong, both videos have their positives and negatives but that's my personal opinion. And luckily, my personal opinion means jack squat in this competition so you ain't my mom! I DO WHAT I WANT.

In case you guys don't remember, last year we had a video with dolphins jumping out of lava to a song that was edited in a backwards fashion make it from round 1 to 2. Getting creative and making something that works in such a short period of time can really give you an edge on the competition. I'm not saying that everyone should start making videos about anime characters shitting rainbows just to try and get a leg up on the competition but occasionally a risk (and in this case it was a MAJOR) pays off. I still won't release the individual rankings each judge provides but when I look at them, they really do make sense. I know you guys are just seeing 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc...but believe me when I say that a video that gets 2nd or 3rd isn't ranked that way by all the judges. It's the magic of averages :sorcerer:

The judges leave comments on the videos about their thoughts each round. If you want to know what they had to say about your video you're more than welcome to PM me and I'll shoot them over to you. They're not novels but if you actually go over them you'll see they have some great pointers here and there.
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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby ngsilver » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:11 am

I see my attempt to cause drama failed because I did it wrong... oh well...

Seriously, go for the PM thing if you don't understand the judges rankings on your video. It really does help put it into perspective and it's like a free beta test! I can't speak for every round and every video, but at least for my own it really showed they are not arbitrarily putting videos in certain places. I'm not saying they would, but it does prove there was quite some thought put into the rankings.
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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby MimS » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:16 pm

Fall Child's vid is the only vid I will remember from group F, others are just fucking uninteresting plus, for some of them, just bad. Stop raging guys, If u want to talk about editing skills only, that was low. Also, none of you considered the dark side of the song, it was just dance or/and romance, you have the right not to love Rihanna but, at least, know what you're working with.
So yeah, as everybody, FC made "just" a decent vid with some lyrics synch but, instead of trying to make a classical upbeat romance vid, he put in place a giant parody with video games and that is what makes the difference.

So, yeah, imho, he deserves to be in the 4 qualified, nott necesarily the 1st though.

Just in case : Luna showed me the videos telling me ranking was bad, I told her to shup up : if I was a judge, FC would be in the list too (nerd)

Btw, stop taking everything that seriously, quickening is meant to be funny first of all, though my whole comment is serious but I'm bored to see people underestimate parody videos, they're always seen as bad, it's way more risky to make this than your fucking lovulovu stuffs

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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby xLunax » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:26 pm

everyone has his point of view, but it's true i don't like parody most of the time, i just can't call this an amv

but i did not say it yet so CONGRATS EVERYONE and now time for the second round :bear:
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Re: Round 1 Results - Complete!

Postby MimS » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:29 pm

Just in case, I'm just saying FC's vid deserves to be in. Don't remember what video which one made so whoever is complaining, I can't say it's normal he didn't make it. Just saying it's normal FC did ^^
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