Live Video Streaming At An Anime Con

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Live Video Streaming At An Anime Con

Postby DJ_Izumi » Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:19 am

This is just a hypothetical thread really, I'm not announcing anything but it's an idea that some of us are seriously looking into since it seems quite doable. I'm just looking for opinions from con-goer types over the idea. Agian, not announcing anything for any convention! Ya know, people get in trouble forleaking things that are in the 'what if' catagory and such and this isn't even there yet, this is in the 'Hey, would this work without causing a fire?' area still.

We were toying quite seriously of using video over IP for CCTV purposes at a convention. Public TVs set up reciving live MPEG-2/Dolby Digital video from the main events room across the hotel LAN. CCTV at a con though, isn't anything very new.

Additionally to that, we're looking at doing wifi hotspots where lower quality (WMV2/MP3) streaming video can be accessed from the LAN over WIFI via a local index page telling peopel which IP/Ports to connect Windows Media Player (or what ever they use) so in many places at the convention someone can whip out their laptop and recive live video of concerts, guests, big panels, contests (Including the AMV showing) and masquerade live or if it's after hours for the room. If the room is not active, time shifted feeds of previous events can be sent and maybe (BIG MAYBE) Video On Demand of previous events in the day.

The same feeds could also be available in the hotel rooms via their eithernet connections, but that would depend somewhat on how the hotel LAN is set up.

So I'm just looking for opinions on this idea and if people think it'd be worthwhile.
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Postby Pwolf » Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:23 am

anime expo did it last year

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Postby guy07 » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:11 pm

DO IT AT AN THIS YEAR! because i won't be able to make it : /
I wanna see what shit's going down, and lemme know if smells as bad as it did last year....god that was bad >_<
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Postby DJ_Izumi » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:15 pm

I wouldn't want to do it at AN. A fucking con spread across THREE locations this year. I don't want to roll something out like this for my first time at that con. That and I think AN would be angry if video footage of their crossing guards threatening to assault attendees if they don't sit down so they can find a 17yo girl that isn't missing being broadcast for all to see.

Besides, they have some CCTV setup they use on the hotel's own system. Get one of your friends to bring a VCR and tape it for you? :P
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Postby guy07 » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:58 am

lol, like 3 people were 'missing' last year. You don't have to film everything, just get shots of the rooms, if u go to a concert take a few seconds. if a fight breaks out over the new volume of Dears film that too, those are always hilarious. AND by u filming it and me not being there i don't have to smell the people there :D

sure i'll just ask chris "Hey buddy, bring a VCR to an with u and tape what the hotel broadcasts" ...: /

Izumi, what's the name of that other con that goes on in toronto mid summer?
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Postby Scintilla » Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:13 am

guy07 wrote:Izumi, what's the name of that other con that goes on in toronto mid summer?

AC³ is in Ottawa...
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Postby DJ_Izumi » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:44 pm

Scintilla wrote:
guy07 wrote:Izumi, what's the name of that other con that goes on in toronto mid summer?

AC³ is in Ottawa...


AC3 is also in November.

I'm pretty sure he's askinga bout CNAnime.
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Postby hackerzc » Thu May 03, 2007 7:10 pm

Where to do it I have no clue. How to do it though.... you may want to check out Scala InfoChannel 3

Just be careful. There are very serious legal issues involved with doing a CCTV system (as well as web streaming). There are broadcast restrictions/fees you have to deal with (which is partly dependant on the venue in which you are operating), not to mention the problems with showing copywrited materials.
You will want to consult a lawyer about this and have him do most of the leg work before you decide to implement anything.

Sorry if this kinda rained on your parade. I'm actually not trying to scare you away or anything, I think the idea is awesome. If it's something you can afford to do I say go for it. But keep in mind you have to jump through quite a number of hoops to do it right (read: legally). The cost (both in price and requirements/restrictions you have to follow) might outweigh the benefit.
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Postby DJ_Izumi » Thu May 03, 2007 7:59 pm

...Why would there be broadcasting fees with a closed circut system? It's not leaving the campus.

As for copywritten material... Same rules apply to an anime convention's anime and AMV showings. :P
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Postby Scintilla » Thu May 03, 2007 9:11 pm

Strong Sad wrote:It's "-righted"! It's "-righted"! It's copy<b>righted</b>! Not copy<b>writed</b> or copy<b>written</b>! I can't take it any more! Righted righted righted!
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Postby hackerzc » Fri May 04, 2007 11:49 am

lol sorry Scintilla, you're correct, it's "rights"... I was in a bit of a hurry. You understood the meaning though, and that's the important part.

DJ_Izumi, there are more ways to broadcast a signal than over the air transmissions.
Keep in mind that Cable Television is a closed circuit system as well. The issue does not come from the distance the signal will be traveling but rather has more to do with the means in which it will be distributed. The key issue here is distribution, and also why the entire situation becomes compounded by the fact you will be distributing copyrighted material across this network (or possibly online).
Keep in mind that you can not just show anime or AMV's at a convention because you happen to be an anime convention run by a non-profit organization. That FBI warning applies you do just the same.
Now to be honest I do not know much about how conventions deal with procuring rights to show anime or other materials in video rooms, however I do know that for the AMV contest (at least at Otakon) we are required to have in our possession signed waivers stating that the creator of the the video has obtained permission to use any and all materials within their video, and that they also have the power and will to convey those rights to the convention. Furthermore it also gives us the right to show, reject, alter, distribute (if we so choose), or otherwise use that footage in any way we see fit, and it's all legally binding.
In addition to the waiver giving us permission the the audio and video in the submission we also have licenses suited to individual elements (ie: a general ASCAP license for the music).

Nothing I say here should be used as legal advise as I am not a lawyer. Rather it is a suggestion that before you intend to use any such system, you consult with an attorney who can tell you the exact restrictions and legal implications you would have to contend with. It all varies somewhat from place to place and venue to venue.
Do yourself and the host convention a favor and learn what you need to first. Do not simply assume or guess. You clearly do not know enough about it at this point to be making a sound and informed decision.
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Postby DJ_Izumi » Fri May 04, 2007 1:34 pm

You still don't seem to understand the copyright issue here.

Anime conventions regularly show anime and AMVs. Showing any anime to several displays at the convention streaming to them from a central server does not add any extra legal risk, since it's the same content already being shown elsewhere.

I'll explain to you how permissions for showing anime at a convention is aquired owever.

1) If the anime is lisenced by a North American company, ask them nicely for permission to use it, they'll usually give it.
2) If the anime is unlisenced and only a Japanese company holds any rights to it... .... ...Don't ask, don't tell.

I think you getting the AMV editors to sign a waver saying that they aquired legal access to the footage and are forwarding you some of that right is ADORABLE. Since probably only 0.1% of creators have done such a thing, but you're not legally responsble cause they're the ones who lied to you. I am in posession of the deed to the Brooklyn bridge, I would like to sell it to your convention so you can offer the bridge away as a prize, interested? :)

So your warning on copyright is moot and useless, thank you.

As for broadcasting legaltiy, the CRTC is not going to care if we blast video from one room at a convention to several other rooms in the same campus.
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Postby hackerzc » Fri May 04, 2007 6:43 pm

DJ_Izumi wrote:You still don't seem to understand the copyright issue here.

Anime conventions regularly show anime and AMVs. Showing any anime to several displays at the convention streaming to them from a central server does not add any extra legal risk, since it's the same content already being shown elsewhere.

I'll explain to you how permissions for showing anime at a convention is aquired owever.

1) If the anime is lisenced by a North American company, ask them nicely for permission to use it, they'll usually give it.
2) If the anime is unlisenced and only a Japanese company holds any rights to it... .... ...Don't ask, don't tell.

I think you getting the AMV editors to sign a waver saying that they aquired legal access to the footage and are forwarding you some of that right is ADORABLE. Since probably only 0.1% of creators have done such a thing, but you're not legally responsble cause they're the ones who lied to you. I am in posession of the deed to the Brooklyn bridge, I would like to sell it to your convention so you can offer the bridge away as a prize, interested? :)

So your warning on copyright is moot and useless, thank you.

As for broadcasting legaltiy, the CRTC is not going to care if we blast video from one room at a convention to several other rooms in the same campus.


Wow you know so much more than I do. Your logic is flawless. I'll just shut up now, and you go ahead and do whatever it is you wanna do. After all, I only run the AMV contest for the second largest anime convention in the western hemisphere. What would I know?
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