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Postby ANTDrakko » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:05 pm

Sertrel wrote:Everyone keeps saying, "public forum, public forum," but let's take the real-world example. Imagine you saw a large group of people in the lobby of the Baltimore Convention Center, milling around, having fun, chatting, discussing a party they were planning. You recognize one person who you met once before at another party. Would you go up and invite yourself to their party? Would you say that just because they were discussing it in a public forum where anyone could hear them, you should be allowed to join them? Would you say that because you shared a hobby or an interest, you should be allowed to join them?


You example is flawed. You see, in that example, the discussion isn't heard by anyone who doesn't recognize anyone. Only those people who find those people come and hear the conversation. Therefor, anyone who DOESN'T recognize someone will NOT hear the conversation. In essence, that is what I'm asking for.

Sertrel wrote:Turn it around. Imagine if you were in your hotel room with a few friends, and suddenly someone you met once at another con drops by, along with three or four of his/her friends. And they said they overheard you talking about this party in a public area, and presumed it was an announcement.


What your not getting is the difference between talking in private in a public place and having a Thread in a Public Forum.

Talking privately in a public place allows people who are either there or people who may notice someone and walk over to hear the general conversation.

A Thread on an Internet Public Forum is a lot different. Because its on a public forum on the INTERNET, that allows for pretty much anyone to join in. The reason for this is because, since its a highly controllable forum (allowing certain restrictions and whatnot), if no restrictions are applied, that would make it open to everyone .

Although it would be nice, you can't always say "Well hey! This is how it would be in real life, why can't it be the same on the internet?!?" Because of flaws that I just mentioned.

Sertrel wrote:Nowhere in this thread was there an "open invitation," or any sort of invitation at all. See <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=51982">this thread</a> or <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=48499">this thread</a> for examples of threads with an invitation. Note the difference in tone and tenor.


Mooo on page 5 wrote:It's pretty much if your a friend of a friend of a friend etc. you're in.

Mooo on page 9 wrote:It's not like there is any intricate guest list or something people usually ask to go to. It's kinda like Person A is going to the party, and he happens to bring persons B through D. So even though we might only know Person A, the friends that he/she brings along are always welcome.


Now, I'm not saying that is an invitation, but can you not see how it can be construed as a "If you know a guy at the party, you can go and bring a friend and be welcomed." Again, not saying that is what is being said, but can you not see how it can be thought of that way by another person?

Now, if this were all done via the livejournal thing I present before, here is how it could have gone:

Person: Can I go?
Corbo Peeps: Do you know someone?
Person: Yeah, I know (someone).
Corbo Peeps: Ask them for an invite to the Corbo Bash Livejournal thing.

If Person knows (someone) and (someone) gives them an invite. They are in. No misunderstandings or anything. Nothing but clean fun.

I'm not telling anyone to shut up. I'm telling you that you shouldn't do this in a public forum and NOT expect stuff like this to happen. It CAN be avoided by doing so via a private medium.

1 more thing...

Sertrel wrote:go hide themselves somewhere private


They don't have to hide themselves anywhere. But if the topic of discussion isn't public, put that someplace private, not public. For reasons I've already mentioned.

Again, let me reiterate that I am not saying "Leave these forums! We all hate you!" I have nothing against anyone. I'm just telling you that confusions CAN be eliminated. I'm simply asking you to do so.

You don't have to. I'm not going to make you. But don't be suprised if there are more confusions next year/this year about this private party if it keeps ending up in a public forum.

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Postby OtakuForLife » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:06 pm

Yeah I was out of line to ask about my firends...
However that was ment as personal inquiry not as solid
fact. Now why exactly a whole situation flared up because
of matter of word play is beyond me.I don't get invited
fine I'll see most of you guys at the AMV dinner. There
was no rudeness intended, I was just waiting for a response
form corbo about inviting others who expressed
intrest in going. Now if this has deeply offenend people by
my inquiry I appolgize ,but, it shouldn't cuase this much theadage.
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Postby SnhKnives » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:12 pm

the dead horse just can't beat itself nowadays


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Postby ANTDrakko » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:17 pm

SnhKnives wrote:the dead horse just can't beat itself nowadays


lol


But thats what I'm talking about. If its THAT common of a problem, why does it keep happening when there are obvious BETTER alternatives?

I mean comon now, even Jbone doesn't know why this keep happening:

Jbone on Page 8 wrote:For that reason alone, it's always boggled my mind that we have public threads on a forum with massive population to discuss it.


and he seems to be quite logical most of the time, though sometimes a bit harsh :)

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Postby SnhKnives » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:21 pm

ANTDrakko wrote:
SnhKnives wrote:the dead horse just can't beat itself nowadays


lol


But thats what I'm talking about. If its THAT common of a problem, why does it keep happening when there are obvious BETTER alternatives?

I mean comon now, even Jbone doesn't know why this keep happening:



look man. I'm not gonna disagree with anything anyone has said here. I very much would like to NOT be involved with the discussion of Corbo Bash anymore.

I would like to give you some advice.

don't worry about it.

this is not a big deal. Think about the grand scheme of life...getting turned down from a party with a bunch of old ass AMVers is not a big deal. There will be plenty of other parties that saturday night. There just isnt enough reason to really make a big deal out of any of this....trust me
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Postby Kusoyaro » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:23 pm

Ah, the infamous quote:

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:I think it needs to be stated that this is not a public get together of amv creators, rather a private party consisting of many amv creators who are friends.

Just like last year the corbo bash thread appears as an invitation to everyone and their donkey, when it's not.


Okay, since every time someone wants to call this thread elitist, they bring up my posting of that quote, I'm going to clarify. (I mean seriously, I posted that 2 months ago, and my name's already been brought up twice in one page, despite that fact that I haven't been a part of this whole discussion at all lately)

As paizuri once posted, that quote is harsher than the reality. We meet new .orgers every year at Corbo Bash. How do they find out about the party? From this thread.

The conception a lot of people seem to have is that since we're not out-right handing out "invites" to the party, then we're closed and exclusive. The reality is, the "openness" of it is simply limited by the size of the room (which we don't know about until Friday of the con). It'd be great to say "Hey hey, open party, tell everyone, bring all of your friends!", but then what happens when the room is too small and then we start having to turn away people at the door? How's that for exclusivity?

Corbo Bash is a laid back, friendly gathering. Meeting new people has always been one of the fun aspects of it. Keeping attendance restricted is a matter of practicality, not one of elitism. Moving this discussion to a more private medium really would make the party closed and restricted to a few selected people, because no one else would know about it. We welcome new attendees if there is space.
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Postby SnhKnives » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:28 pm

maybe you could treat it like a multi editor project and have people like....apply for an invitation...and then you choose who comes based on invitations


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby VicBond007 » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:29 pm

Kusoyaro wrote:Keeping attendance restricted is a matter of practicality, not one of elitism. Moving this discussion to a more private medium really would make the party closed and restricted to a few selected people, because no one else would know about it. We welcome new attendees if there is space.


I second that. If the CBB plans were taken to say, locked, friends-only LJ posts, then that really does make it an elitist party...and then the terrorists win.
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Postby Kusoyaro » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:30 pm

VicBond007 wrote:If the CBB plans were taken to say, locked, friends-only LJ posts, then that really does make it an elitist party...and then the terrorists win.


OH SHIT NOT THE TERRORISTS!! :lol:
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Postby SnhKnives » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:32 pm

Kusoyaro wrote:
VicBond007 wrote:If the CBB plans were taken to say, locked, friends-only LJ posts, then that really does make it an elitist party...and then the terrorists win.


OH SHIT NOT THE TERRORISTS!! :lol:


cause when introduce a children to the joys of reading.....everyone wins!


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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:36 pm

SnhKnives wrote:maybe you could treat it like a multi editor project and have people like....apply for an invitation...and then you choose who comes based on invitations


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oooh, and take it one step further and give everyone time slots so you can fit more people in through the duration of the party. The first group of people accepted gets 0:00 - 59:59, and the second gets 60:00 - 119:59, and so on.
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Postby SnhKnives » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:38 pm

Flint the Dwarf wrote:
SnhKnives wrote:maybe you could treat it like a multi editor project and have people like....apply for an invitation...and then you choose who comes based on invitations


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oooh, and take it one step further and give everyone time slots so you can fit more people in through the duration of the party. The first group of people accepted gets 0:00 - 59:59, and the second gets 60:00 - 119:59, and so on.


lol and you could up your chance of being invited if your invitation request form states you are bringing no extra guests (unless its like hot women, in which case has the opposite effect), and lots of free booze.

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Postby ANTDrakko » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:41 pm

Kusoyaro wrote:::All the stuff that should have been said a while ago::


Perfect. Thank you for the clarification and understanding.

Snh, I agree, nothing to get worked up by, I was just completly boggled by people who were like "Why are you coming? Its friends only! Nobody invited you!" and the such.

As for going, I doubt I'll be there, though I'm sure nobody knows me and would probably not want to after my posts and whatnot. Debating whether going to the AMV dinner is even worth it anymore. We'll see.

Thanks again Kusoyaro, and also to VicBond for furthering the point with a humorous blend :lol: .

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Postby SnhKnives » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:43 pm

ANTDrakko wrote:
Kusoyaro wrote:::All the stuff that should have been said a while ago::


Perfect. Thank you for the clarification and understanding.

Snh, I agree, nothing to get worked up by, I was just completly boggled by people who were like "Why are you coming? Its friends only! Nobody invited you!" and the such.

As for going, I doubt I'll be there, though I'm sure nobody knows me and would probably not want to after my posts and whatnot. Debating whether going to the AMV dinner is even worth it anymore. We'll see.

Thanks again Kusoyaro, and also to VicBond for furthering the point with a humorous blend :lol: .

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you should still go to the AMV dinner. That IS totally open to anyone and everyone here on a-m-v.org

who knows. I don't think anyone in this thread is so bitter as to hold anything like that against you. If you happen to make friends with some of the attendees and the invite you to come with them to the party, I say go.
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Postby Kusoyaro » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:45 pm

ANTDrakko wrote:I was just completly boggled by people who were like "Why are you coming? Its friends only! Nobody invited you!" and the such.


I think the real issue was more of "Wait, we don't even know if we have room for you guys, and you're already drawing up a list of more people to bring??"
Maybe it was the harsh tone in which it was rebutted, but I think that was the real reason why this whole debate flamed up.

SnhKnives wrote:I don't think anyone in this thread is so bitter as to hold anything like that against you.


I dunno, those MEP comparisons were pretty awful. I think I'm definitely holding that against you.

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