Otakon 2K5 CORBO BASH

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Postby ANTDrakko » Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:35 pm

OtakuForLife wrote:
And maybe antdrakko


:?: :!: :?:

:shock:

:oops:

8-)

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Postby OtakuForLife » Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:43 pm

Well it's depends how much space they have...
They should probally write up a guest list with a maxium number
of people this party can handle.
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Postby ANTDrakko » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:20 pm

Thats fine, I wasn't exactly expecting to be invited / welcomed.

Though, if I do go, whats needed?

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Postby OtakuForLife » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:18 am

No idea, hoping corbo will come online soon and tell us if there something
I missed.
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Postby paizuri » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:35 am

OtakuForLife wrote:So, far I'm bringing:
_________________________
Cash for Kuso to buy Drinks
Thinking... Jamison Irish Wiskey and Some SAMS

Two girls I know...
1)A firend from work.
2)Maybe this girl from dexcon 8, shes not a big drinker.
- Both have boyfriends .... my luck sucks...

And maybe antdrakko

Also, do you guys need money for like chips and stuff?
And should I bring my ps2 with me?


Now keep in mind that I am not Corbo and he can feel free to negate any statements I am about to say. However, as I do happen to be staying in the room that this party will occur in, I will throw my two cents in.

This is a private party. That does not necessarily mean it is a closed-to-the-public party, but as has been mentioned before, space is limited and it is preferred that you know someone there so that a certain degree of responsibility and accountability can be maintained.

That being said, I do not know why you are making arrangements and inviting other people to an event that you are not directly affiliated with. I would consider that to be very rude and arrogant behavior if this were my party. What I would do if I were in your shoes would be to wait for Corbo to respond before making assumptions as for what to bring and collecting money and all the rest.
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Postby OtakuForLife » Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:25 am

Woah, I was just saying these are the people I would bring....
I didn't say anything deffinate. I tend to pharse things badly
but thats my fualt .
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Postby Jimmyen » Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:13 am

OtakuForLife wrote:Woah, I was just saying these are the people I would bring.....

Thus is the problem. Being as the last time I checked, you were attending on the basis that you could locate a human to latch onto who would allow you to tag along, the proposition that you come with an ENTOURAGE is just the teensiest bit over-bearing.

You're pretty much outside the bounds of regular social graces as it is. You shouldn't push the hospitality by suggesting you come with accessories. That's what I'm thinking, anyway. I'm just the friendly bartender, after all.

The idea of a formal guest list has already been poo-pooed more than once, as I recall. As much as I like to think of this party as the pinnacle achievement of our elitism, it really is open to anyone who's got a friend to provide an invite, space permitting. And no one knows the maximum occupancy of the room until we actually arrive. Hard though it may be to believe, Corbo doesn't actually drive to Baltimore and scout out potential rooms for the Bash each year.
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Postby OtakuForLife » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:34 am

you're pretty much outside the bounds of regular social graces as it is. You shouldn't push the hospitality by suggesting you come with accessories.

One their people not accessories.
Outside the bounds of social graces? I have been more then socaily
acceptable in all my posts and actions at any conventions... So,
you better explain that part.. If not I have reason to take offense
to it. I kneel before noone buddy, a party is just a party and while the
guest list contains a list of well known editors or plain people. This rule
still applys. If this is the atudie one is met with your the one lacking in
said graces. As for my earlier comment, I was simply stating my intentions
to bring said people if I'm allowed. I was not saying they were coming or not...
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Postby ANTDrakko » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:55 am

Ok ok, enough, everyone.

Regardless of the whole "its a private party, but not entirely" policy, its still exclusive. So why is this posted on a public forum? I noticed that an admin had attempted to lock this thread, for good reason.

Any arrangements and whatnot can and should be done via other private means, such as IM, PM, Livejournal or via the phone or in person, much like how these actual invitations are given.

You have nobody to blame for this seeming to be less than private but yourselves for continuing to post on a public forum, despite the countless times Hsien (only using his 1st name because I can't remember how to spell his a-m-v.org name) has mentioned that it is indeed a private party.

As far as "elitism" is concerned, a good reason that some people are thought of elitists is for things like this. They feel that they can have their little private jokes and whatnot on a public forum, yet shun others who wish to join in. This isn't the first forum to have this and sure as heck isn't going to be the last. I'm just saying it in case anyone has that "Hey! I'm not elitist! I just have friends!" idea.

In short: Mods, if you would please, lock this thread. It doesn't belong in a public forum and I'm sure has generated more complaints than most other threads. Thanks in advance.


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Postby NineBirds » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:01 am

I wonder, if you want a party, why not start a thread and throw your own? Then you can invite whomever you want, it can be whereever you want it to be, and you'll know the people there instead of hanging around awkwardly with a bunch of strangers who're referring to in-jokes and events from past cons and happenings that you haven't been a part of. It's not like attendance means you're suddenly on the A-LIST OF AMV AWEZOMEZ and you gain magical perks and ponies and sparkle-anime powers and get to make use of the unicorn cars.

And I'm with Jimmyen and Paizuri--it doesn't matter whether the party's with a bunch of hobos or the Queen of England, if I were attending a function as a guest of someone who knew the organizers, I would not announce that I might be bringing my own friends along until I had privately inquired with the organizer about whether it was OK. Actually, I wouldn't inquire at all unless the organizer suggested it or my acquaintance was a long-term partner or spouse, otherwise it's just rude.
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Postby Kusoyaro » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:11 am

NineBirds wrote: party's with a bunch of hobos.


That's what you do after Corbo Bash...and only if you're Nightowl :lol:

Party ends when one of the hobos pulls a knife.
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Postby Way » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:14 am

I refer you to http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=708893#708893, where Corbo (The guy in charge of all this) explains:

StealthVisions wrote:The Reason Behind the Thread

...we can organize what needs to be brought to where and such...
...I do not have all of their personal information...
...a-m-v.org has been the common grounds between some of us. There are people that find out about this event only by means of the yearly thread. Mainly for this reason, is this topic posted on a public forum. And since this is a gathering of AMV creators at a convention, I felt this was an appropriate forum...which was deemed satisfactory for the last 3-4 years.



All formalities aside, I find it in very poor taste to show enough interest to ask for an invitation, and then turn around and request, "Mods, if you would please, lock this thread." It's become apparent that nobody has a problem with the thread until someone else drops the bomb of disillusionment upon their perceived sense of acceptance. You, among others, have developed a "sour grapes" attitude, and now want to strike back at the rest of us, most of whom simply want to talk amongst ourselves, and make preparations for an event during our time at Otakon.
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Postby ANTDrakko » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:35 am

Way wrote:All formalities aside, I find it in very poor taste to show enough interest to ask for an invitation, and then turn around and request, "Mods, if you would please, lock this thread." It's become apparent that nobody has a problem with the thread until someone else drops the bomb of disillusionment upon their perceived sense of acceptance. You, among others, have developed a "sour grapes" attitude, and now want to strike back at the rest of us, most of whom simply want to talk amongst ourselves, and make preparations for an event during our time at Otakon.


1) I didn't ask for an invitation. OtakuForLife was requested to be there by Ninetails. OFL also said "maybe" . I said something along the lines of "If I go, what should I bring?". You, sir, are combining OFL's invitation with my statement that this all should be done in a private medium.

2) Nobody has a problem with the thread? I would refer you to page 5 of this particular thread where derobert himself says, and I quote:

derobert wrote:[derobert: This thread seems rather pointless, and as a private party, more appropriate to a private mode of communication such as PM, email, etc. Further, it seems to be functioning as the most effective complaint magnet on the .Org forums. Locking.]


Apparently a LOT of people have a problem with this thread.

3) I have no problem with organizing an event. I have no problem with the people going to this event nor the fact that this event is happening. I think its great that people have something this fun to look forward to.

I DO, however, think all of this should be discussed, as you said, amongst yourselves. That means NOT in a public forum. Like I said earlier, you all really don't have anyone to blame but yourselves for putting this were everyone and anyone can see. Welcome to life, people are going to misunderstand things such as this. This all could have been avoided by doing this either in another private forum, PM, AIM Chat, Livejournal, and countless other ways.

4)
Corbo wrote: ...a-m-v.org has been the common grounds between some of us. There are people that find out about this event only by means of the yearly thread. Mainly for this reason, is this topic posted on a public forum. And since this is a gathering of AMV creators at a convention, I felt this was an appropriate forum...which was deemed satisfactory for the last 3-4 years.


Perfectly understandable. But you see what has happened? Apparently this isn't the first year either. According to AD's post which Kusoyaro has referred to, he's needed to clear this up a lot.

I'm simply saying, find a different, private way of doing all this. Livejournal, for example, apparently has a feature that only ones who are invited can see the posts. Create one for Corbo Bash. Invite only those who are "invited" to come. Link that Livejournal from Here, so that the people who don't know but are a part of your group CAN see it, be invited, and get the details.

In short, this could have been handled better. There are a lot of misunderstandings and I'm sure some tempers are being tested. I'm fine; I'm not angry or upset with anyone and don't wish to be on bad terms. I'm just trying to keep the continuing misunderstandings to a minimum.

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Postby ANTDrakko » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:45 am

Also, if possible, any type of reply directed to me, please do so via PM.

If you, for some reason, want to say "Listen here Jackhole! You can take your comments and stuff'em with walnuts, ugly!" , I would rather it be directed to me personally than to clutter this thread anymore.

Thanks in adnvance.

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Postby Sertrel » Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:22 pm

Everyone keeps saying, "public forum, public forum," but let's take the real-world example. Imagine you saw a large group of people in the lobby of the Baltimore Convention Center, milling around, having fun, chatting, discussing a party they were planning. You recognize one person who you met once before at another party. Would you go up and invite yourself to their party? Would you say that just because they were discussing it in a public forum where anyone could hear them, you should be allowed to join them? Would you say that because you shared a hobby or an interest, you should be allowed to join them?

Turn it around. Imagine if you were in your hotel room with a few friends, and suddenly someone you met once at another con drops by, along with three or four of his/her friends. And they said they overheard you talking about this party in a public area, and presumed it was an announcement.

Nowhere in this thread was there an "open invitation," or any sort of invitation at all. See <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=51982">this thread</a> or <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=48499">this thread</a> for examples of threads with an invitation. Note the difference in tone and tenor.

Before you behave a certain way in any internet forum, please stop and imagine if you would behave the same way in a similar public forum. I'm sorry that, in your opinion, a few friends, many of whom have known each other for years in real life, have to shut up and go hide themselves somewhere private to talk about fun times they have had together, simply because those who happen to overhear us misunderstand and want to join in.

I hope that nothing you ever say in a public forum is ever misunderstood, since then, for "the public good," you would have to take yourself and your friends to a private forum.
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