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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Tue Oct 14, 2003 1:17 pm

animeamiee wrote:OH! I have an idea Jbone, since all of this just pisses you off so much, why don't you just ignore this thread, and stop putting your comments in here!


or you could just put your fingers in your ears and go LA LA LA LA LALALA :roll:
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Postby paizuri » Tue Oct 14, 2003 1:45 pm

OR, how about you two take this to personal e-mails or PMs and just leave the thread at a "Go to Anime Reactor this year and see Phade!"
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Postby Fungie½ » Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:05 pm

I'll try my hardest to get something in for the AMV contest ^_^

I can understand what people have said about digital submissions, but I also agree that just having something on tape will be much easier, as VHS is a very open format and probably the most compatible. Thus when I submit it'll be on VHS ^_^

Perhaps you may want to accept VCD, SVCD and DVD submissions. If you have a DVD player, these formats could probably play back smoothly and then you could record them onto VHS for the contest or something.

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Postby anneke » Tue Oct 14, 2003 5:02 pm

Was going to reply back at page 1 but saw there were 2 more pages of comments... WTF? Anyways...

This is a small first year convention, I think it's far better they go with just VHS tapes. This will limit who enters the contest which is a good thing.

If it also means a bunch of 'professional' AMV creators who only want to submit on SVHS or DVD or MPEG or some other format think they are too good to submit via VHS (for what ever reason), good... that means less people in the contest.

You'll still get plenty of entrys. You'll get entrys from those who like submitting via VHS.

Accepting Digital submissions or other formats means you'll get entries from everyone with an Internet connection, etc... Accepting only VHS entries means, you'll be accepting entries from people who REALLY want to enter your contest because they were willing to take the time to export the video to VHS and send it to you in the way and format you requested.

It's your contest don't let people change how you run it. For a first time contest, going with VHS is the best thing to do, as you get less problems to deal with. You'll have enough other problems to deal with, without having to deal with different formats as well.

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Postby Lyrs » Tue Oct 14, 2003 5:11 pm

Phade's gonna be there? It's near enough for me to take a few hours drive to, however i haven't been reading any good news on it. :?

There's still some 123 days left so i might as well think about it.
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Postby animeamiee » Wed Oct 15, 2003 12:32 am

well there are technicaly 163 days until the con, and anyone who's interested, the site has been slightly updated, including some new AMV info under 'events'
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Oct 15, 2003 1:39 am

animeamiee wrote:well there are technicaly 163 days until the con, and anyone who's interested, the site has been slightly updated, including some new AMV info under 'events'


Sounds good!

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Postby jbone » Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:42 am

anneke wrote:If it also means a bunch of 'professional' AMV creators who only want to submit on SVHS or DVD or MPEG or some other format think they are too good to submit via VHS (for what ever reason), good... that means less people in the contest.

None of us said we we think we're "too good," we said we're "not physically able." Slight difference. :D
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Postby Kusoyaro » Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:43 am

anneke wrote:If it also means a bunch of 'professional' AMV creators who only want to submit on SVHS or DVD or MPEG or some other format think they are too good to submit via VHS (for what ever reason), good... that means less people in the contest.


Considering that most people nowadays rip DVDs, make their videos completely digitally, and have no means of outputting to VHS, I don't see how this makes them "professional" creators who "think they are too good" for VHS.
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Postby Ashyukun » Wed Oct 15, 2003 12:24 pm

Kusoyaro wrote:Considering that most people nowadays rip DVDs, make their videos completely digitally, and have no means of outputting to VHS, I don't see how this makes them "professional" creators who "think they are too good" for VHS.


Not only that- but if you think about it, the 'professional' creators are more likely to have the knowledge and the means to output their digitally created videos onto VHS if they so desire. I think I've seen nearly as many questions in the help forums asking, "How do I get my video onto a video tape?" as ask how to encode a video for digital submission.

That said, I can see if the people running the contest for whatever reason lack either the skill, knowledge, or equipment to accept digital submissions that keeping it simpler would be a good idea. Having a contest that perhaps doesn't look as clear as the original DVDs is, in the end, secondary to having a contest that actually works and doesn't break down. I would however echo the earlier comment about looking into accepting DVD and SVCD submissions (hell, maybe even VCDs- they're probably as good in some cases as people's output to VHS) using a DVD player. A $50 or less Apex player will play all of them, and the submissions could be dubbed off to a master tape for the contest from the DVD player- which will likely need to be done anyway. Swapping tapes in and out of the VCR constantly during the contest is just a bad idea. Take it from a tech guy who has had to do it- make a tape ahead of time!
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Oct 15, 2003 1:10 pm

Well, that's the only other reason I brough it up, dubbing from VHS to a VHS master tape will really degrade the quality and lots of people were upset with the quality of the AWA Pro VHS tapes...

I agree about how important it is to have the contest work out right. That is #1, but if quality degrates too much for a big projection screen, a lot of creators tend to get up set over this or not bother so I just think it may be worth while to get help if possible to try to keep things digital. Even playing the contest on DVD. Most of the issues that occure in contests are based on the equipment/DVD not being tested. I personally NEVER will play a contest on different equipment unless I've had access to it and it test out fine. (at all the contest I ran, I had then run from computer and had a VCR running the contest at the same time so I cound just switch to it if my system and it's backup went down. I even had a second SVHS tape handy). Same thing can even happen with VHS machines and tracking issues in the HIFI track.

So personally I don't think it's technology, but more the lack of testing and having backups (at all the contest I ran, I had then run from computer and had a VCR running the contest at the same time so I cound just switch to it if my system and it's backup went down. I even had a second SVHS tape handy). and the people who understand it doing the tech work. ALSO, running a contest and doing the tech work does not have to be done by the same person, so if a coordinator insn't versed in tech stuff, it may help to have someone who is doing the tech part. NOw, I do understand that that person has to be trused to do the job required of course...

Bascially, I'm just trying to put out some suggestions. I've ran mutimedia stuff at cons for over 10 years and foundhaving right planning, equipment and backups as much as possible always helps....

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Postby anneke » Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:33 pm

If you can't export to VHS, who's fault is that but your own. Don't complain to the convention that you can't submit in the format they request.

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Postby Rozard » Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:53 pm

I think what they're trying to say is, more and more editors are going completely digital, so analog VHS is becoming (has become) archaic.
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Postby Bloodyfäng » Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:25 pm

Title this thread.....When Editors Lose Their Cool
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Postby jbone » Thu Oct 16, 2003 7:27 pm

anneke wrote:If you can't export to VHS, who's fault is that but your own. Don't complain to the convention that you can't submit in the format they request.

I'm sorry. I'm a bad person because I can't afford to buy hardware to export video to VHS.

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