Nya-chan Production wrote:Oh yeah, can we PLEASE purge the database at least from the 3-5+ years inactive accounts with no videos, comments etc. (same as in the renaming rule, I suppose) and spambots? I guess that would clear tens if not hundreds of thousands of people from the list.
I concur with this. We still have test accounts around that could be purged.
Otohiko wrote:I think that streams number is quite telling actually. If there's one thing that YT is showing and one ship that definitely has sailed, it's that of how videos is approached online. Honestly, I think beyond purely design-oriented features, the fact is that most people these days do not download video content, period. I don't think the .org needs to get rid of downloads, but I think ever since the Golden Donut was introduced, a large proportion of the site's strategy for membership, donations and design - whether intentionally or not - has necessarily had to revolve around hosted video content. And that is the ship that's really sailed.
Agree with these conclusions.
I don't think there's an only answer to it, and certainly "OrgBook" or "OrgTube" aren't the only possibility. But the fact is that because of social media and streaming (among other things, the ways (a) video content; (b) community involvement; and (c) collaboration and remix culture - these have forever changed. Ignoring any of these changes is very damaging to the .org. Sadly I think we very much still living in 2005 here.
Agree with these conclusions.
So I think above all, we need to begin to reconsider exactly how we want to better offer up video content that is more portable than high-quality downloads and how we can develop the rest of the strategy around it, and how we can reconcile that with what the .org also stands for and supports (and I agree that some aspects of it, like hosting for high-quality downloadable video files, should be defended).
Tentative agreement. Require specifics about plan of action.
The tl;dr version of the point here: we need to formulate an approach around VIDEO CONTENT in the manner that is acceptable today in light of what's been happening with online streaming. This is the 'meat' of the site. Any strategies for everything else, including community matters, can't even be discussed until we decide on exactly WHAT WE WILL OFFER AND HOW WE WILL REACH A MAXIMUM AUDIENCE WITH IT.
Concur with first point, possibly question second point.
I will also note that the .org is not a useful resource at all unless it indeed aims for a maximum audience. If we plan to shut ourselves off into obscurity and limit our ambition to survive, then I propose we end the .org here and now. If we cater to the 500 people Kionon apparently met, then there's no use for us - a small community centered around a studio-style site is enough. We don't need a costly and complicated .org for this.
Do not concur. I do not think that we need to aim for a maximum audience in order to be a useful resource. Nor do I suggest we shut ourselves off into obscurity and limit our ambition to survive. These two are not a binary system. There IS a middle ground. We do not cater to the 500 people I may possibly have met. Nor have we ever. What I am saying is that's all the people that are currently here.
We are those 500 people. All of us. Every single one of us in these threads. Are you honestly saying we are of no use to ourselves? If you honestly believe that then...
Seriously, if the only hope for the .org is to settle into a retirement hub for refugees from mainstream online AMV culture, then I think it's time to pull the plug, at least on the database as such.The .org can't not be big and maintain its database and servers, otherwise it's a huge waste of everyone's time and money, which could easily be put to better use than this.
This is the result, and I say, if you don't think we are useful to ourselves, then you are right. Time for us to just shutdown. I, however, do not believe that the org is useless to its users, be them 500 or 500,000. If we can't even serve the 500 people we have effectively, do you honestly think we will be able to serve a thousand times that?