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Stigmas

Postby NarutoExtreme12354 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:43 pm

Have you ever wondered why the "Adult" society or even your friends thinks Anime is childish?
Have you ever wondered why the "Adult" society stays away from cartoons?

For some reason the way that the content is being shown is more important then the content itself.
And those of you who have been watching (or still watching) adult animes know,that this is a stigma, a steriotype without any basis behind it.
Is it because that somewhere in the past of humans people have used cartoons for kids only?
If you got any assumptions,opinions any thought of it or just want to complain (like I did) do it :D

Have a joyful discussion :D:D
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Re: Stigmas

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:51 pm

I work in a professional environment with people mostly 40 and older - just about all of them hold one or more degrees in technical fields, and it's definitely a serious business type of establishment. I associate with a vast number of professional adults on a daily basis. Most of them know I edit AMVs and work for a con and half of them are far more interested in what I do than I am myself. They enthusiastically ask me questions and one even had me talk to his daughter about editing over the phone (awkward as all hell).

Maybe you need to find better people to surround yourself with and stop your persecution complex emo bitching.
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Re: Stigmas

Postby Jasta85 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:30 pm

NarutoExtreme12354 wrote:Have you ever wondered why the "Adult" society or even your friends thinks Anime is childish?
Have you ever wondered why the "Adult" society stays away from cartoons?

For some reason the way that the content is being shown is more important then the content itself.
And those of you who have been watching (or still watching) adult animes know,that this is a stigma, a steriotype without any basis behind it.
Is it because that somewhere in the past of humans people have used cartoons for kids only?
If you got any assumptions,opinions any thought of it or just want to complain (like I did) do it :D

Have a joyful discussion :D:D


give them a CD with amv hell 0 on it to give them a dose of reality ;p

then again, that might end up getting anime banned in america instead
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Re: Stigmas

Postby ZephyrStar » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:40 pm

My experience is similar to Bashar's. I'm the youngest person in my office, and everybody thinks it's cool that I make vids. They even want to know what I'm working on and ask me about it, but yes, the unfortunate part is I have heard a few comments like "Isn't that for kids? Why do you like it?" And I politely just say something like "some is, but there are a lot of shows you'd probably enjoy."
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Re: Stigmas

Postby Otohiko » Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:40 pm

There's no such thing as the "adult world". It's something that just looks like something distinct while you consider yourself a kid and consciously stay outside it. Once you're in it, you realize that there's actually no freaking difference whatsoever. Adults are by and large the same whiny immature slobs that kids are, and their hobbies are absolutely identical to what they were before they turned legal drinking age.

The faster you stop drawing that distinction, the better. You'll be bothered less by it.
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Re: Stigmas

Postby TEKnician » Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:53 pm

NarutoExtreme12354 wrote:Have you ever wondered why the "Adult" society or even your friends thinks Anime is childish?
Have you ever wondered why the "Adult" society stays away from cartoons?


Do you see the crap they put on [adult swim]? They used to have tons of anime, but nowadays, they're coming out with all these stupid shows like Clerks and Stroker and Hoop. Adults have a weird sense of entertainment if you ask me.
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Re: Stigmas

Postby Kariudo » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:13 pm

Adult Swim shouldn't be your standard when considering "Adult" entertainment just because it has adult in the title.

Actually though...your first question is pretty much valid for any network (even if it was rhetorical)
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Re: Stigmas

Postby ZephyrStar » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:45 am

"Adults" are just people who have already died inside D:
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Re: Stigmas

Postby Sukunai » Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:05 pm

There is indeed a stigma.

The best way to deal with stigma, is to tell them to stick it, in a rough, unmistakable fashion allowing no room for mistaking how little you REALLY care about their stigma driven misconceptions and outright bull.

Yes I KNOW cartoons circa 1970 and earlier (date pulled out of thin air by the way) were only interesting to kids and exceedingly bored adults.
Fully aware that Bugs Bunny was virtually harmless if not incredibly violent actually.
Pretty much aware that what is ordinary in anime is NOT ordinary outside of anime.

But then lets look at modern cartoons such as Beavis and Butthead. Or The Simpsons, King of the Hill, South Park. The list CAN go on I just don't feel like listing more right now. Oh like those shows are paragons of decent family values eh. 'Oh but those shows are not aimed at little kids'.

DING DING DING we have a winner folks. Not all anime is meant for kids either. Not all anime is meant for teens. Most anime is amusing to someone.

Oh but anime is so full of sex. Hmm wanna see Marge giving head to just about anything? How about Babs Bunny doing the whole team? Wanna see what some of them cartoons are doing when you are not looking? It's the internet, I can show you anything ever drawn, getting laid. Rule 34 eh.

Then there is cultural differences. Most Americans might not be aware, that in Canada we show a lot more 'real' sex on TV a lot more casually. It's a Canadian thing.
So why gang up on the Japanese and their anime? It's all just mindless uninformed stupid ass stigma.

Either correct em, or just settle for telling to them to drop dead and move on basically.

Do you WANT to share anime with everyone you know/meet?
I don't.
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Re: Stigmas

Postby Êricō » Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:45 am

There is a bad generalisation around this topic.
Adults believe that since 'kids' watch anime that they themselves shouldn't because of the fear that they too will be grouped in with kids and possibly lose public status. Another opinion is that people tend to cling on to something they lived with in their childhood. Adults didn't have any of those 21st century anime in their childhood so instead they had to cling on to what we may consider as outdated cartoons or humour.

This opinion I have formed is from my experiences with people I have met and did not mean to insult anyone if I have.
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Re: Stigmas

Postby macchinainterna » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:14 pm

ZephyrStar wrote:"Adults" are just people who have already died inside D:


Ouch...
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Re: Stigmas

Postby Athena » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:06 am

Even in Japan there is anime for kids, and a large bulk of it always was intended for younger audiences. I too laugh at Naruto and Bleach fans older than about 15. Doraemon, Crayon Shin-chan. It's not that some of these have content that are aimed at adults, it's rather that they include content that is culturally acceptable for children in Japan, but not in the United States.

Both views of anime being for kids or for adults are incorrect. Anime encompasses a wide range of demographics. Further, many of the adults that like certain series like those series because they watched them as children. My fandom, such as it is, of Yamato, Macross, and Sailor Moon are largely from my own experiences as a child and young adult of watching them on TV.

That being said, Yamato, Macross, and Sailor Moon were originally directed at children/young adults. Yamato and Macross largely to boys (with some crossover because of strong female characters), and Sailor Moon to girls. Even my beloved Kimagure Orange Road is a shonen title, and was directed at the junior high school age group that it represents in the characters of Ayukawa Madoka, Kasuga Kyosuke, and Hiyama Hikaru.

The difference is in how the Japanese view the story comprehension abilities of children and young adults. The Japanese create stories that are sophisticated, complex, and if not realistic in actual events, are realistic in the depth of behavior exhibited by characters. The stories simply accept that certain aspects of reality exist, like alcohol, tobacco, violence, and sex, and they do not seek to hide this from the viewer. Given the low rate of crime and substance abuse in Japan, and similar numbers of sexual activity to other developed nations, I don't find this particularly problematic.

America treats its children as if they cannot be trusted and must be shielded from everything. In Japan, there is much more respect for the child to be able to grow, accept reality, and to offer a valuable voice. In Japanese schools, many activities are student directed. Sports teams and clubs often have an advisor who merely supervises, but does not coach unless absolutely required. Instead the older students take on leadership roles, and teach the younger students. It is a cycle that provides more incentive to shoulder responsibility and to be motivated to succeed.

So if someone asks you if anime is for kids, you tell them, "Yes, often it is. Japan knows kids are smart and can follow the same story lines as adults. America thinks kids are helpless or dumb. I know which country's media I'd rather my children watch."
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Re: Stigmas

Postby ZephyrStar » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:46 am

story comprehension abilities of children

This. Children are way smarter than our society thinks they are.
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Re: Stigmas

Postby 8bit_samurai » Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:30 pm

Well, we do have a game show entitled "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?"
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Re: Stigmas

Postby Sukunai » Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:31 pm

Kionon wrote:Even in Japan there is anime for kids, and a large bulk of it always was intended for younger audiences. I too laugh at Naruto and Bleach fans older than about 15. Doraemon, Crayon Shin-chan. It's not that some of these have content that are aimed at adults, it's rather that they include content that is culturally acceptable for children in Japan, but not in the United States.

Both views of anime being for kids or for adults are incorrect. Anime encompasses a wide range of demographics. Further, many of the adults that like certain series like those series because they watched them as children. My fandom, such as it is, of Yamato, Macross, and Sailor Moon are largely from my own experiences as a child and young adult of watching them on TV.

That being said, Yamato, Macross, and Sailor Moon were originally directed at children/young adults. Yamato and Macross largely to boys (with some crossover because of strong female characters), and Sailor Moon to girls. Even my beloved Kimagure Orange Road is a shonen title, and was directed at the junior high school age group that it represents in the characters of Ayukawa Madoka, Kasuga Kyosuke, and Hiyama Hikaru.

The difference is in how the Japanese view the story comprehension abilities of children and young adults. The Japanese create stories that are sophisticated, complex, and if not realistic in actual events, are realistic in the depth of behavior exhibited by characters. The stories simply accept that certain aspects of reality exist, like alcohol, tobacco, violence, and sex, and they do not seek to hide this from the viewer. Given the low rate of crime and substance abuse in Japan, and similar numbers of sexual activity to other developed nations, I don't find this particularly problematic.

America treats its children as if they cannot be trusted and must be shielded from everything. In Japan, there is much more respect for the child to be able to grow, accept reality, and to offer a valuable voice. In Japanese schools, many activities are student directed. Sports teams and clubs often have an advisor who merely supervises, but does not coach unless absolutely required. Instead the older students take on leadership roles, and teach the younger students. It is a cycle that provides more incentive to shoulder responsibility and to be motivated to succeed.

So if someone asks you if anime is for kids, you tell them, "Yes, often it is. Japan knows kids are smart and can follow the same story lines as adults. America thinks kids are helpless or dumb. I know which country's media I'd rather my children watch."


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