Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby Sukunai » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:42 pm

DarkPhoenix22 wrote:
guardiansoulblade wrote:There are plenty of editors who just download illegal anime, be it subbed or dubbed and edit with that.

Usually subbed. Dubbed episodes are damn hard to find on the internet.


?????

I guess you've just never seen all the fully downloadable dvd format anime that IS really out there then. And there is a shitload of it out there. The only reason to not bother with dvd format, is it's not always really necessary.
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby Knowname » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:17 am

I prefer raws. And their not even really illegal... really.
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby xPiikanyaa » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:55 am

Sukunai wrote:
DarkPhoenix22 wrote:
guardiansoulblade wrote:There are plenty of editors who just download illegal anime, be it subbed or dubbed and edit with that.

Usually subbed. Dubbed episodes are damn hard to find on the internet.


?????

I guess you've just never seen all the fully downloadable dvd format anime that IS really out there then. And there is a shitload of it out there. The only reason to not bother with dvd format, is it's not always really necessary.

I've never seen it before. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places...
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:45 am

Sukunai wrote:
DarkPhoenix22 wrote:
guardiansoulblade wrote:There are plenty of editors who just download illegal anime, be it subbed or dubbed and edit with that.

Usually subbed. Dubbed episodes are damn hard to find on the internet.


?????

I guess you've just never seen all the fully downloadable dvd format anime that IS really out there then. And there is a shitload of it out there. The only reason to not bother with dvd format, is it's not always really necessary.

usenet and other newsgroups aren't exactly an easy place for your average stupid internet user - that's why they're still allowed to exist (though they have been cutting off newsgroup access in a lot of areas under the guise of fighting CP). Darknets and private communities are the way to go for most things, but public trackers don't seem to be in danger (or dangerous) for fansub gatherers - yet at least. Who knows though... the business model is failing - maybe they'll take up the solution of their big content brethren and start suing their customers too.
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby 76 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:36 pm

I went to quote it, but I accidentally reported your (first) post Sukunai. My bad.

I want to agree with all the hoo-haw about supporting the releases, but to be honest: I'm a poor sum'bitch. I stand firmly behind Sukunai's first post. I agree completely.
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby Angelyco » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:38 am

I agree that piracy promotes purchasing in some cases. I would never buy the DVDs for a show if I hadn't watched it because they just cost way too much to take chances on if I'll like it or not. If it wasn't for piracy, I would NEVER buy anime DVDs unless it was something that aired on TV in the US or something. Unfortunately there is no other way for us to watch Japanese shows right now.

Plus, there are just some shows that will never make it to the US and R2 imports are of no use to me if I can't understand what they're saying...fansubs become necessary at that point. I wouldn't buy the R2s for editing unless I was able to watch the show beforehand.

I'm perfectly aware that downloading is illegal and I would never argue against that. At this point in time, there just aren't many other options.
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby xPiikanyaa » Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:00 am

Angelyco wrote:I agree that piracy promotes purchasing in some cases. I would never buy the DVDs for a show if I hadn't watched it because they just cost way too much to take chances on if I'll like it or not. If it wasn't for piracy, I would NEVER buy anime DVDs unless it was something that aired on TV in the US or something. Unfortunately there is no other way for us to watch Japanese shows right now.

Plus, there are just some shows that will never make it to the US and R2 imports are of no use to me if I can't understand what they're saying...fansubs become necessary at that point. I wouldn't buy the R2s for editing unless I was able to watch the show beforehand.

I'm perfectly aware that downloading is illegal and I would never argue against that. At this point in time, there just aren't many other options.

You has a good point there. I use downloading as a 'try before you buy' thing, but I'll admit I have edited with fansubs in the past. :|
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby NelTu » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:26 am

I find what you say to be true because I watched Fruits Basket and Naruto online and I know Find myself the owner of the fruits basket box set and I'm currently trying to get all the naruto ones :sweat:
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby Bixie » Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:02 pm

The only anime series that i have that is not pirated is Witch Hunter Robin.
I don't think that pirated anime promotes buying since I never buy any anime.
Is that bad? >w<
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby Knowname » Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:23 pm

(as a general answer, not as a judgemental precedent or anything) depending on where you live (ie availability of said anime) lol pretty much :nono: these ppl make a living as well and you should contribute to that when you can (again, depending on availability, can't really say anything if you dish out the 120 bucks for 1 anime series but pirate the other 3 just because you can't afford them or they aren't available to you yet). If your a wealthy American with everything available to you for a fraction other countries pay (if it is available to them in the first place) then... I'd have to encourage you to buy your anime. Your proceeds may go to bringing good anime to more countries. Or it may just go to making Vic Magnolia fatter :o but w/e he needs food too.
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby xPiikanyaa » Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:47 pm

amarau wrote:I find what you say to be true because I watched Fruits Basket and Naruto online and I know Find myself the owner of the fruits basket box set and I'm currently trying to get all the naruto ones :sweat:

Same with me, if you replace Naruto with Lucky Star. :up:
Bixie wrote:I don't think that pirated anime promotes buying since I never buy any anime.

Well, I guess it depends on the person. :mrgreen:
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby Sukunai » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:01 pm

Only flaw in this post is this 'usenet and other newsgroups aren't exactly an easy place for your average stupid internet user'.

Hmm either you need to start admitting I'm fairly smart (but I don't need you to), or you're wrong (I think over all you are), because the idea I am smart would have my computer guru buddy laughing his ass off.

It takes no brains to browse a newsindexer. They are no different than torrent sites. It takes no brains to install Quickpar, and once you are told 'that fixes yer broken files', that's about the size of it. It takes no brains to install newsleecher. And all you need to know is, 'that gets yer files'. And it takes no brains to know that Astraweb and Giganews own the scene. If you are using someone else, you likely were forced.

It takes a lot more skill to find shitty poor performing torrent links on Google than it does files in newsgroups.
And really, all a person needs to do to learn about newsgroups, is to just ask, hey how does a person use newsgroups?
Granted sites like this and many others will steadfastedly refuse to SHOW people how to download and more specifically from where. Makes sense.
But it takes a special kind of stupid to be unable to find even a single place online where a person can ask that question :)

Hey movies music games whatever, it's all the same process eh. Downloading is downloading. It's not done differently.
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I don't think piracy does anything by intent, it's just a matter of anything is possible, including accidental sales.
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby Jasta85 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:01 am

i think the long and short of all of this is, yes pirating can widen the viewing audience and possibly increase sales (simply due to the fact that many series would be completely unknown here in the states if it wasnt for pirating) however that doesnt change the fact that it is still illegal, regardless of whether it helps the companies or not.

So, as a result illegal pirated anime is mostly ignored by the big companies perhaps because they see it is helpful in promoting their products or perhaps because it is simply too much trouble to try and stamp it out and risk alienating potential customers.
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby Sukunai » Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:37 pm

Illegal is as you say always illegal.

I think if anime was an American invention, and marketed originally in English, the discussion would be no different that the circulation of movies and TV shows. None of the sites that fan sub would be needed of course. The market wouldn't need them understandably. And they would be the same as any other TV show download.

It's just that they are NOT made originally in English (nor French or German or Italian or Russian for that matter).
The anime industry, where would it be if the ONLY consumers were Japanese speaking persons?

Well I know it wouldn't be on sale or for rent in Canada in any way worth mention.
And I would have never heard of it.

I sure wouldn't have my Madlax or Air sets.
And there likely would be no Animemusicvideos.org

I actually think AMVs do a lot more to sell anime than pirated copies ever will.
The whole argument 'oh I was never going to buy it in the first place' never ceases to amuse me though.
You also would never have it if it wasn't an option to pirate.

But fansubbing fills a needed vacuum. I am NOT going to watch anime in Japanese without the subs.
I don't mind a lot of dubs, but I watch subs more than willingly.

The industry likely wouldn't exist without fansubs. That it is illegal is a technicality that is without merit in anime.
Go ahead, shut down the fansubs. And lay off your staff while you are at it.
Sure some buy anime that have never seen before. But I think it's a given, most ONLY watch anime as they started to watch a few fan subs and became a fan of the whole experience. Not that it's impossible to have never watched a fan sub.
But just try and demonstrate the industry would have ever begun without fan subs inventing the whole interest in the first place.

I refuse to believe the anime industry sprung out of thin air.
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Re: Piracy promotes purchasing, especially amongst video editors

Postby Knowname » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:39 pm

If there was no AMVs.org I probably wouldn't be an anime fan right now as anime's relation to technology is about my only... the only part that keeps me going. I might go to individual studio forums cuz anime intrigues me... but I don't usually chase after things that intrigue me.
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