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Postby Sukunai » Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:11 am

Boundaries, it seems the boundaries set for anime are a lot more flexible culturally than they are for non anime based animation.

In anime, girls are allowed to actually have breasts that act like breasts even if in some cases it seems like every girl has an amazing set of breasts.

In anime, nudity isn't a tragedy it's just nudity. And if they can do nudity, then showing lingerie is no problem.

Sexuality. In anime, homosexuality is actually acknowledged. It's not made to magically disappear just to protect the kids.

In anime people actually CAN die and do indeed die.

Anime acknowledges life even while it is making fun of it. And it seems to do it better than non anime.

Anime seems to use timeless commentary as opposed to trendy dated humour. A joke in anime will be funny next year too.

Politics and political commentary in anime is not like trendy non anime, only funny while the politics of the moment is interesting.

Anime is actually able to do serious where as a lot of non anime rarely ever even attempts anything other than slapstick humour.
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Re: A poll JUST for anime fanatics (take a peek)... ^_^

Postby hasteroth » Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:14 am

De-Ja-Vu

Well I like the art style mainly.

The plot devices, storytelling style.

The language.

The culture behind the anime (Japanese Culture)

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Postby dragontamer5788 » Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:40 pm

Pretty simple actually. It all comes down to audience.

In America, Cartoons are automatically seen as "kiddy stuff", or "Comedy". That's what people expect, that's what people get. (Spongebob, Simpsons, etc.). In Japan, Cartoons (or anime) aren't seen in such a restricted manner. As a result, Anime can explore more mature themes and cater to an adult audience.

It is simply that the culture for making mature movies / shows prefers to make live-action stuff in America. I mean, we've got Lost, Heroes, Prison Break, etc. etc. Its not that scriptwriters can't make mature storylines... its just that it is a cultural taboo to make a mature cartoon. No one in America would make a cartoon about a Meth Dealer... but they are willing to make "Breaking Bad". Even comic book art aims for photo-realism when the story gets serious (DC's "Kingdom Come" for example). Well... not so much anymore. But mature comic books seem to borrow their styles from Anime actually. (or maybe I got it backwards? I am not a historian...)

Anime is not special either. Even in Anime, various styles give connotations to the maturity of the plotline. More Mature animes such as Death Note and Evangeleon tend to stick closer to human proportions, while One Piece and Pokemon are willing to be a little more cartoonish.

There are exceptions of course. But for the most part, in America... Live Action / Photorealism implies maturity. While Cartoons imply Sophomorism. In Japan / Anime, it exists to a much lesser degree, but you can still see it.

Fortunately, Anime is breaking down that boarder. Unfortunately... the future of Cartoon Network seems to be in "Chowder", "6teen" and other crap shows that will only secure cartoon's connotation of childish and/or potty humor.

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Anyone here an animator? There might be a chance that Anime is actually more expensive than we might think. I know for a fact that 3d models are less costly to make than a full 2d Sprites Sheet... which is why video games have moved towards 3d. Even BlazBlue sprites were rendered in 3d before they were handcrafted into 2d sprites. In the gaming world, 3d is cheaper. Is that the same for Anime?
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Postby dwchang » Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:51 am

JudgeHolden wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:90% of anime is crap. We only get what was considered "good" in Japan and 90% of that is crap.



Not really, what we get is the stuff that Funimation and ADV think will SELL in the USA. Since, we as a nation have no taste ... what we end up with is the crap.


Yes, but the reason Funimation and ADV think they'll sell is because they do well in Japan. That may not be 'good' by most standards of taste, but it is when you relate it to money making. So yes, I agree with Ryan on this. We get what the Japanese watched and considered good and yet most of it is crap. That's really scary to think what their crap is then. Like how crappy can it get?
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Postby TerraRose » Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:53 am

The points have pretty much all been said but I'll post my take. :book:

Because space in japan is an issue, live-action dramas are a whole lot harder to produce, but if all you have to do is cram 20 people into cubicles, drawing and coloring and timing and get the same, if not better result, of course you're going to use the resources you've got to the fullest.

I like anime because it isn't afraid to express itself. Certainly it draws lines at some things from the manga versions that come before (example: Kagura holding a big rock over Kyo instead of Knives in Fruits Basket) but it has a continuous story, isn't afraid to address social issues and even make fun of controversial issues (like pedophila and homosexuality) and it is an escape from reality while at the same time being totally relatable too as being almost real. Even slice of life series are like this... Nana was mentioned, and hey, yeah it's slice of life about a fangirl who gets mixed in with the object of her obsession and has two seperate viewpoints on it. But the issues are totally relatable but are still fantastic and extreme (how many people randomly meet someone on a train who you end up living with and leads you to meet the star you have a crush on?) But that is the point of good drama, good storytelling. You have to start from a point people can relate to and then take it to the fullest and anime ALWAYS works that way. It has a higher ratio of brain cell activity requirement... Shows like Spongebob KILL that, and people complain about kids in school :roll:
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Postby SketchH » Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:27 pm

I like where this is going. You are all giving me wonderful answers. Thank you for your honesty.

In more depth, though, do you feel that national pride and expression of their culture helps make anime more appealing? What are your feelings on this aspect?
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Re: A poll JUST for anime fanatics (take a peek)... ^_^

Postby TerraRose » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:52 am

Well there is the element that Japan has a lot of HISTORY. And there are a lot of anime that play off that history and so many that follow tried and true story paths with different twists. I know people that HATE anime because of the boring 'same old same old' factor of shows. But as for the national pride and expression having an effect on the popularity in other countries? Well I seriously don't think anyone likes Dragonball explicitly for it referencing the Journey to the West, having the main character as Monkey Boy Goku. Or Golden Boy for being derived by another legend. And Japan doesn't even focus solely on it's own legends for referencing though... Take Ah My Goddess, that's taking from Scandinavian Mythology. Evangelion and Angel Sanctuary reference Christianity. Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne references from Joan of Arc, which is French.

For me, these references are a bonus. I may not be a fanatic of all the mythological and historical sources drawn upon, but the fact that there is a decided trend of mythological and historical sources makes it so much more interesting seeing how they can take a source and alter it into something new... Perhaps the world-wide expanse of cultural references is the draw of Anime since it takes the timeless factors from any number of stories, myths, histories and religions. It may not be completely factual, but by even referencing it it draws attention and interest to the actual historical and mythological circumstances and makes people think and be drawn to study the source material.

I admit to studying the Meiji Restoration for a school project because I watched Rurouni Kenshin.
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Postby hasteroth » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:16 pm

Well I agree with dragontamer5788 on how in America "Cartoons" are considered as being for children and how anime is much less restrictive and can include, horror, drama, romance, etc. and is often for more mature audiences. Though in Japan there is also a similar misconception about anime. Most Japanese adults regard anime as being "Childish" or "Immature". Obviously their knowledge is limited. Much of mainstream anime is childish but there is alot that is not. For example, Air. Aimed at children? I think not. In my area anime is often thought of as perverse because for some reason the majority of this cities knowledge of anime is limited to Hentai. I don't care for hentai anime, I prefer ecchi. I like hentai manga though
And as far as Drama is concerned, American dramas are mainly idiotic, cheesy, and horribly cliched ("It's all the same shit!"). But anime isn't always that way. Sure their riddled with cliches but they are actually pretty good.

I prefer not to think of anime as a single entity, because some are good some are bad, there are as many different genres and audiences for manga and anime as there are for TV shows, movies, and books.

And last, I hate it when people compare manga to "Comics". My teacher told me not to read "comics" and I was just about ready to scream.
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Re: A poll JUST for anime fanatics (take a peek)... ^_^

Postby Draw it blank » Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:50 pm

I think if a show (like the end of Air TV) can make you cry...Its good!!
Aaaand the folowups anime/manga usualy do.
Like for ex: If one anime totaly messes up the ending (like Claymore) we still have the Manga to keep us from goin insane... or viceversa!
Also in American cartoons its hrd to get related to a character , because anime characters have MUCH more human depth to them, than say...a kid from south park that only touches the surface of High school drama.
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Re: A poll JUST for anime fanatics (take a peek)... ^_^

Postby hasteroth » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:46 pm

yuzo-haro wrote:I think if a show (like the end of Air TV) can make you cry...Its good!!
Aaaand the folowups anime/manga usualy do.
Like for ex: If one anime totaly messes up the ending (like Claymore) we still have the Manga to keep us from goin insane... or viceversa!
Also in American cartoons its hrd to get related to a character , because anime characters have MUCH more human depth to them, than say...a kid from south park that only touches the surface of High school drama.
(wow I feel nerdy now)

Yeah... Yeah... Yeah. That's it, I think I just realized my #1 reason for liking anime, I mean alot of other reasons come within like 1% of this one but yeah... I can empathize with the characters unlike in any other type of media I have explored, not counting video games. The character depth and developement is often so complex and so meaningful... And then of course there is the depth of the stories. Though none of this counts for hentai, it's only use is fapping lol.
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Re: A poll JUST for anime fanatics (take a peek)... ^_^

Postby SketchH » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:02 pm

Thanks everyone. You've been a great help. I've got what I need. Thanks again. ^_^
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Postby LokiLuffy » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:12 pm

Dubbed anime = crap
well done subs = LOVE

Like One piece
Dub is crap and subbed is AMAZING

1st reason anime is amazing; No holds barred, anything can happen
2. No censorship, no friday 13th compares to beginning of elfen lied
3. Panties
4. Nico Robin
5. When shit goes wrong, That "OH Fuck, that didn't just happen' feeling
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Re: A poll JUST for anime fanatics (take a peek)... ^_^

Postby hasteroth » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:55 pm

LokiLuffy wrote:Dubbed anime = crap
well done subs = LOVE

Like One piece
Dub is crap and subbed is AMAZING

1st reason anime is amazing; No holds barred, anything can happen
2. No censorship, no friday 13th compares to beginning of elfen lied
3. Panties
4. Nico Robin
5. When shit goes wrong, That "OH Fuck, that didn't just happen' feeling


Not true for all anime, personally I liked the FMA dub better than the sub and the same goes for Bleach. One Piece was dubbed by 4kids, I need not elaborate. It all depends on whether they dub it well or not.
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Postby Ishbalan » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:24 pm

Anyone who still says all dubs suck needs to look into a little gem known by the name Black Lagoon.

5/5 viewers agree: the dub kicks the sub's ass
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Postby LivingFlame » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:00 pm

There's a lot of the more recent dubs that I feel like are being done pretty well. Either VAs are getting better or the people in charge of them are finally taking some pride in their work.*


*Not to be thought of as true of all recent dubs.
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