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Postby Serv0 » Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:15 pm

I have a question dokool.

This is not a spolier question by the way.

Would you say the movie length was good enough to portray the original story of episodes 1 through 6?

And is it worth it for people who have seen the original series to watch this movie in hopes to experience something new?
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Postby dokool » Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:05 am

servo101010 wrote:I have a question dokool.

This is not a spolier question by the way.

Would you say the movie length was good enough to portray the original story of episodes 1 through 6?

And is it worth it for people who have seen the original series to watch this movie in hopes to experience something new?


Yes - even though it's about 90 minutes (as opposed to the 140 minutes that 6 episodes would be), they cut out a lot (and I mean a <b>lot</b>) of all the filler. For example, in the third (?) episode, when Shinji goes to school and the girls message him through the desk? That's gone, it cuts straight to Toji beating him up. Long un-necessary pauses are axed. Various other scenes are gone. Then again, they expand the Episode 5-6 content (particularly Episode 6 in that they show off a lot more when setting the stage for the sniper shot).

I'll be honest - the first two Angel fights, as portrayed, are by the book, and don't really do anything more than trim the fat and make everything else look <i>nicer</i>. The 3rd fight becomes epic in scale now that they can depict it properly, and one scene during that sequence actually diverges from the movie (closer to the manga, in fact).

Then the last scene of the movie basically says "we are taking this in a new direction, whee!"

Then after the credits there's a short trailer (think "On the next episode of Eva" preview), and you can basically tell that they're going to be changing a LOT.

As far as the last question - yes. Even if it was a scene-by-scene copy of the movie I'd recommend people see it if only because it's gorgeous and the sound effects and soundtrack are incredible. As it stands now it feels like they've filtered out the chaff from the wheat and this is Eva in its purest form, but I'm not sure how purists will react to the upcoming changes that they hint at.
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Postby Scintilla » Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:38 am

dokool wrote:Then after the credits there's a short trailer (think "On the next episode of Eva" preview), and you can basically tell that they're going to be changing a LOT.

Except the service, from what I've heard.
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Postby Coffee 54 » Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:24 pm

Here's a question: Is it even/will it still be in theaters two weeks from now? I'm taking my first vacation in years and would love to catch the Eva movie, if its still going to be play that is.
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Postby dokool » Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:30 pm

Coffee 54 wrote:Here's a question: Is it even/will it still be in theaters two weeks from now? I'm taking my first vacation in years and would love to catch the Eva movie, if its still going to be play that is.


Maybe. No guarantees. Depends on where you are in Japan.
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Postby Coffee 54 » Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:14 am

dokool wrote:Maybe. No guarantees. Depends on where you are in Japan.


I'll be in Tokyo for a week, two weeks from now that is. Even if Eva's gone I'm sure I'll find something to catch while I'm there.
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Postby dokool » Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:33 am

Coffee 54 wrote:
dokool wrote:Maybe. No guarantees. Depends on where you are in Japan.


I'll be in Tokyo for a week, two weeks from now that is. Even if Eva's gone I'm sure I'll find something to catch while I'm there.


It might still be at a theater or two in the city - the crowd at the second showing I went to the other day was only maybe 2/3-1/2 full instead of the packed showing I'd been to, but it has some life left. If you drop me a line I'll help you get set up with tickets or give you some good "where to go" guidance :P
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Postby Coffee 54 » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:24 pm

Awesome, I may just have to do that. Expect me to bug you via PM for possible showtimes closer to the actual trip.

On topic: I really like the concept these films are taking. Start from the same place, then take the series in a new direction. I'm quite eager to see where it will all lead, not to mention the shiny new animation. :D
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Postby dokool » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:04 am

Coffee 54 wrote:Awesome, I may just have to do that. Expect me to bug you via PM for possible showtimes closer to the actual trip.


No problem! If your time here happens to coincide with my school schedule not being too rough (my classes are from 1:30-5 and I have mid-terms at the end of November) I'm more than willing to play tour guide. BasharoftheAges can account for the fact that I Know My Shit.
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Postby CrazyLee » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:01 pm

dokool wrote:Zephyr - there is no way in hell a cam will appear. Japanese theaters are <i>hardcore</i> and additionally Eva is playing in relatively smaller venues so it's a lot harder to sneak something like that in.


When you say Hardcore, do you mean there's ninjas and samurai standing outside the theater with swords and knives who cut off the arms of people who dare bring in a camera? Because that would certainly be hardcore.
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Postby Gepetto » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:47 pm

LeeKitten wrote:When you say Hardcore, do you mean there's ninjas and samurai standing outside the theater with swords and knives who cut off the arms of people who dare bring in a camera? Because that would certainly be hardcore.


Nope, they stand inside the theater disguised as regular viewers. You now that guy who sat next to you at the Howl's Moving Castle premiere and didn't blink the whole movie? Yeah.
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Postby dokool » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:00 pm

Gepetto wrote:Nope, they stand inside the theater disguised as regular viewers. You now that guy who sat next to you at the Howl's Moving Castle premiere and didn't blink the whole movie? Yeah.


Actually, now that you mention it I did see HMC on opening night here and they did have a lot more security than usual :shock:
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Postby beatstone » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:39 am

Actually, now that you mention it I did see HMC on opening night here and they did have a lot more security than usual Shocked


Why they have securities if they have ninjas and samurai? :)
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Postby Serv0 » Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:38 pm

Well, it's nearly two months now since the Japanese release of Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone, and still no news on any International Release whatsoever. Yet the Evangelion fan community is increasing in numbers and the reception of the first movie has been mostly high. The movie even has official english subs as of October 12, 2007, ready to be viewed by the mass majority of english speaking members.

You know, I've been questioning on what "development hell" is for international releases and adaptations coming from Japan. Especially if it's a distributor who has no established international relations prior to production, such as KlockWorx and Khara, the distributors behind Rebuild. Having experienced the conflict of international adaptation many times in the past before, is it possible that development hell for adaptation won't get any better, despite Japan's increasing power of personal distribution?
Maybe I'm just bitching here, and maybe it is only two months after release. Maybe I'm over anticipating something that's bigger than it really is. But one thing's for sure, theatrical release for the first movie as of now is for Asian audiences only, let alone Japanese. No hope for outsiders to witness the Rebuild experience.
All n' all, this is an example of how money ruins the experience of movies. The movie itself is ready to be shown to outsiders. The outsiders themselves are ready to see the movie. But apparently the corporates themselves aren't ready for the experience.

No wonder piracy is an obligated practice.

I feel like Bart Simpson when denied his opportunity to witness the Itchy and Scratchy movie. Only to stay home and listen to his little sister juxtaposition his situation to denial of witnessing the moon landing.
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Postby Qyot27 » Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:48 pm

servo101010 wrote:Well, it's nearly two months now since the Japanese release of Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone, and still no news on any International Release whatsoever. Yet the Evangelion fan community is increasing in numbers and the reception of the first movie has been mostly high. The movie even has official english subs as of October 12, 2007, ready to be viewed by the mass majority of english speaking members.

You know, I've been questioning on what "development hell" is for international releases and adaptations coming from Japan. Especially if it's a distributor who has no established international relations prior to production, such as KlockWorx and Khara, the distributors behind Rebuild. Having experienced the conflict of international adaptation many times in the past before, is it possible that development hell for adaptation won't get any better, despite Japan's increasing power of personal distribution?
Maybe I'm just bitching here, and maybe it is only two months after release. Maybe I'm over anticipating something that's bigger than it really is. But one thing's for sure, theatrical release for the first movie as of now is for Asian audiences only, let alone Japanese. No hope for outsiders to witness the Rebuild experience.
All n' all, this is an example of how money ruins the experience of movies. The movie itself is ready to be shown to outsiders. The outsiders themselves are ready to see the movie. But apparently the corporates themselves aren't ready for the experience.

No wonder piracy is an obligated practice.

I feel like Bart Simpson when denied his opportunity to witness the Itchy and Scratchy movie. Only to stay home and listen to his little sister juxtaposition his situation to denial of witnessing the moon landing.

A) Despite being subtitled, chances are English-speaking audiences would rather see it dubbed. Those who don't mind fansubs wouldn't care one way or the other, but viability of such obscure titles (like it or not, to mainstream America Eva is obscure, as is most anime, Miyazaki somewhat excluded) hinges on wide acceptance, and subtitles only appeal to a niche market. A movie has to be several orders of magnitude more noteworthy to attract an audience that will simply put up with something that isn't spoken in English. Little less come en masse.

B) Chances of seeing it, even in fansubbed form, are very slim until it gets released on DVD over there. And average wait time between Japanese theatre premiere and release on DVD is usually around 7 or 8 months at the least (judging from things like Advent Children, or the FMA and Bleach movies). Having a domestic American release, theatre or not, will inevitably be later, due to licensing logistics. Few films have the clout (mainly due to big-name staff, see Miyazaki again) to get broad international distribution prior to the standard English licensing dance.

C) How is this different from any other property? No matter what level of popularity Eva has within anime fandom or in Japan in general, that doesn't translate to having good enough chances of surviving in Western theatre markets. Considering the relationship between GAINAX and Kadokawa (and disputedly KlockWorx, if Haruhi is any indication), it wouldn't surprise me if Kadokawa USA has something to do with whatever American company gets it. The Japanese companies will probably have little to do with releasing the movie internationally.

The only plausible remedy I can see for B and C (and A in some respects) is if it gets the Blu-ray treatment at release time. The upcoming Japanese Blu-ray release of Utawarerumono has English subtitles and audio - whether it's the ADV-produced subs and audio, I don't know. Part of this is probably because of the series having already been released here (which makes it likely the English tracks are sourced from ADV), and because both Japan and the U.S. are in the same Blu-ray region.
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