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Postby Aetherfukz » Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:10 am

But it's not like all the german/japanese/whoever people started a war. A war is always started by some politician or an insane leader. They (those leaders) usually just sit back in their little bunker, and "enjoy" the show. But it's the people that suffer from it. Not the ones that started it in the very fist place. And that is just not right.

And for the war against terror: It would have been possible to not bomb Afghanistan, and win the war either way. They just had to send a few of their super forces, like Seals and Rangers. They would wipe out an entire mob of Al Kaida Troops on the go-go.
What I can't understand at the carpet bombing is, first they destroy everything with fire bombing, and after that run, they drop food and suppies to the ground... well doesn't make sense in my head...

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Postby Mroni » Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:30 am

You know you are right about most civilians being innocent but.... People allow thier goverments to stay in power even if they say they don't. It's up to them to make sure thier leaders are good guys not assholes. Also remember in modern war women are the workforce building the weapons of your enemy so they are a valid target.

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Postby Wykith » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:32 am

Are you people even aware that the United States has lost EVERY war since 1942? The evil empire has great propaganda but terrible results. Mr Oni, as far as politics go, you are doing nothing but contradicting yourself left and right. You have tidbits of information here and there but no solid facts. I can't believe you would claim that WWII was "justice". I hate to say it but in this way, Sept. 11 was "justice" as well. "Justice" for the U.S's reproachable foreign policies. So if the score had already been settled, Afganistan was no longer "justice" but "murder".
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Postby CaTaClYsM » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:59 am

Well I know my opinion may not be popular, but I am glad that the US stopped hitler from his little conquest of the world. And if soldiers are killed that is sad, but any attack on civilians is absolutely out of line.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab
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Postby Wykith » Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:15 pm

I agree with you 100%
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Postby Timelessblurr » Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:52 pm

Wykith wrote:Are you people even aware that the United States has lost EVERY war since 1942? The evil empire has great propaganda but terrible results. Mr Oni, as far as politics go, you are doing nothing but contradicting yourself left and right. You have tidbits of information here and there but no solid facts. I can't believe you would claim that WWII was "justice". I hate to say it but in this way, Sept. 11 was "justice" as well. "Justice" for the U.S's reproachable foreign policies. So if the score had already been settled, Afganistan was no longer "justice" but "murder".


In case you are wondering the United States has not been offical at War since WWII. Thing like the Koeren War. Vinitannam ect. were more peace keeping things and was call a war by the press.
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Postby KenShimazu » Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:55 pm

Hey Mr Oni, as a Japanese American i am TRULY offended by your post,
my Uncle Served in the war (and thankfully he survived, my other 3 uncles who i never knew didn't) my parents lived through the post war Japan which really did mess up the country.

i'm keeping this short, not about to give a history lesson

Although i have no problems with my friends or aquantences calling me "Jap" i find your usage of the statement within your post highly racial, and offensive.

I ask politely please do not use that term loosly again

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Postby Wykith » Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:36 pm

Timelessblurr wrote:
Wykith wrote:Are you people even aware that the United States has lost EVERY war since 1942? The evil empire has great propaganda but terrible results. Mr Oni, as far as politics go, you are doing nothing but contradicting yourself left and right. You have tidbits of information here and there but no solid facts. I can't believe you would claim that WWII was "justice". I hate to say it but in this way, Sept. 11 was "justice" as well. "Justice" for the U.S's reproachable foreign policies. So if the score had already been settled, Afganistan was no longer "justice" but "murder".


In case you are wondering the United States has not been offical at War since WWII. Thing like the Koeren War. Vinitannam ect. were more peace keeping things and was call a war by the press.


You can blow up a country and call it a skirmish. The mobilization of troops into someone else's country is an act of war. Blowing things up in someones else's country is an act of war. So we were either at war, or we are terrorists.
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Postby Timelessblurr » Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:47 pm

Wykith wrote:
Timelessblurr wrote:
Wykith wrote:Are you people even aware that the United States has lost EVERY war since 1942? The evil empire has great propaganda but terrible results. Mr Oni, as far as politics go, you are doing nothing but contradicting yourself left and right. You have tidbits of information here and there but no solid facts. I can't believe you would claim that WWII was "justice". I hate to say it but in this way, Sept. 11 was "justice" as well. "Justice" for the U.S's reproachable foreign policies. So if the score had already been settled, Afganistan was no longer "justice" but "murder".


In case you are wondering the United States has not been offical at War since WWII. Thing like the Koeren War. Vinitannam ect. were more peace keeping things and was call a war by the press.


You can blow up a country and call it a skirmish. The mobilization of troops into someone else's country is an act of war. Blowing things up in someones else's country is an act of war. So we were either at war, or we are terrorists.


Hey I was just stating a fact. I have forgoten the offial name that it called. But the preisdent can put troops were ever he wants for something like 90day or something. This is among the bits of information I learned in history
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Postby Wykith » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:04 pm

Hey I was just stating a fact. I have forgoten the offial name that it called. But the preisdent can put troops were ever he wants for something like 90day or something. This is among the bits of information I learned in history


Are you saying that Korea, Vietnam, and Desert Storm can be classified as a temporary occupation of troops?
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Postby Timelessblurr » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:07 pm

Yep that what is technaly was (congress also can exstend how long the troops can be in on place)
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Postby Wykith » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:11 pm

Timelessblurr wrote:Yep that what is technaly was (congress also can exstend how long the troops can be in on place)


Please tell me you're kidding. The evil empire gave Itself the right to have its troops wherever it wants. That's why they occupated the holy land, pissed off the arabs and lost their precious trade center. I don't want to sound condecending but are you saying it's only war if the U.S. president says it is?
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Postby Timelessblurr » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:24 pm

No it only war when congress declare war. The US gave it self the right to send troops like that with some act. (can some find out what it was for me because I do not rember anymore nor do I have my history notes any more)
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Postby Wykith » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:30 pm

Timelessblurr wrote:No it only war when congress declare war. The US gave it self the right to send troops like that with some act. (can some find out what it was for me because I do not rember anymore nor do I have my history notes any more)


Timeless, listen to what you're saying. You mean I could come over to your house, bitch slap you, do your mom, eat your food, drink your beer, watch your tv and jerk off in your bed, go home and call it a friendly, temporary occupation.
If I were to do this, would you not consider it an act of war? Just because one side says "no, we're not fighting" doesn't mean it's not a fight.
I'm not constructing an argument about what the U.S. government has declared. I know your right about that. I'm trying to show how ignorant we would have to be to believe their bullshit.
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Postby Timelessblurr » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:44 pm

I agree. I think most of crap the US goverment does is Bull shit. hell it just a bunch of beurcrat trying to say in power buy saying there defending of from stuff that we should not be involed in the first place (by the way what did the topic start out as any how there no way that we are still under it)
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