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Postby Mroni » Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:11 pm

Wykith wrote:
Apperently you don't . The usa was the good guys in world war 2 moron only a retard would argue that. Our standing army was dick before world war 2 the soldiers sent to fight were all new recruits not professional killers. They had a job to do and they did it because Germany and japan started a war. Like I said before if you start a war you better be able to finish it. The british bombed Dresden yes it was horrible. But waaaahh war is hell. Dresden is a german city so it got what it deserved. Do you have a concept of justice? If somebody malicously killed your brother for no reason what would you do? Re the Germans and the japanese in word war 2 murderous bloodthirsty bastards. The russians weren't much better but Germany attacked them not vice versa.



I was responding to this. My point is...........no matter how many people died here in comparison to how many people died there is no justification for murder.
That you can say that 911 was the catalyst for the war on terrorism just like you can say that Pearl Harbor was the catalyst for U.S's involvement in WWII.
That is only however if you ignore that Pearl Harbor happened because of the embargo and 911 happened because of the U.S's occupation of the middle east.
No one "deserves" war. That's my point John. I hope I got it across this time.......I know I can talk in spirals but they usually all point to where I'm going.


When did the us occupy the middle east???? The middle east is made up of bunch of Monarchys that embrace radical islamic beliefs some more than others but all work together. But please tell me when have we occupied the middle east????? Also please remember that afghanistan is not part of the middle east. The oil embargo on Japan was right and just by any sane viewpoint why do you disagree with it?


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Postby Mroni » Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:30 pm

I am leaving this discussion because It has gotten so out of hand. I cannot stand to read posts where the United states is portrayed as a lesser of two evils or the evil empire when in every circumstance it was right. The very fact that somebody especilally american citizens could think that the united states was wrong for fighting world war 2 or dropping the A bomb makes me so mad I was going to tell people things which are better left unsaid. My advice in general is to read before you speak. This is part of the reason I don't like Uncle milo because he is always worried about the real world and dosen't just chill. So I'm taking my chill pill and getting back to the thing that is anestethic to the real world ANIME!!! If you like Grave of the fireflys more power to you.

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Postby Wykith » Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:33 pm

When did the us occupy the middle east???? The middle east is made up of bunch of Monarchys that embrace radical islamic beliefs some more than others but all work together. But please tell me when have we occupied the middle east????? Also please remember that afghanistan is not part of the middle east. The oil embargo on Japan was right and just by any sane viewpoint why do you disagree with it?


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There are U.S. military instilations all over Afganistan and the middle east.
I'm not even gonna start with you Mr Oni. Your responses are too sporatic and baseless. Besides, I'm still trying to find even ground with kthulhu.
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Postby Wykith » Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:41 pm

By the way, I'm lovin' the debate but I'll have to get back to it on monday.
Have a nice weekend!
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Postby jonmartensen » Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:32 pm

Your (general) quotes are getting all sloppy. Clean up your acts.
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Postby kthulhu » Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:54 pm

Ehh, this is getting out of hand. When quote filled posts are reaching a half page in length, and no one is really swaying anyone, I think the best course of action in the long run is to agree to disagree :D . In the grand scheme of things, posts made on an online message board for a niche subject in a niche genre accomplish nothing.

But good debate.
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Postby CaTaClYsM » Fri Dec 13, 2002 8:32 pm

What I don't see is how killing someone who is trying to kill you is deemable as murder.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab
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Postby Timelessblurr » Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:02 pm

What the hell did this thead start on. I left for a day and I complet lost
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Postby Aetherfukz » Sat Dec 14, 2002 4:15 pm

Yeah. This all went from a topic about grave of the fireflies into a discussion about ethical questions. Pretty smart though, and very enjoyable to discuss with all you people (even MrOne :o ) but I don't got the time now to read thru the last 2 and a half pages of this thread (I wasn't here just for yesterday after midday till today and yay, 2 complete new pages with loong posts ^_^ ). So I will join again after this night...

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Postby mexicanjunior » Sat Dec 14, 2002 4:29 pm

GOTF movie = extreme sadness :cry:

Pimping my GOTF vid in this thread = extreme shameless :shock:

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=12511

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Postby jonmartensen » Sat Dec 14, 2002 4:41 pm

Like I said before, just watching the clips used in MJ's vid made me sad :(
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Postby Aetherfukz » Sun Dec 15, 2002 1:48 pm

Wykith wrote:Osama bin laden hates americans. He considers them the enemy because America has it's nose in everyone's business. They come in, take what they need and leave everyone else to fend for themselves. They do make the attempt to seem merciful though. First they bomb your home, kill your family and burn everything you own, but at least you get sandwiches afterwards. All thanx to good old thoughtful uncle Sam. They are the self proclaimed sheriffs of the world. The final word on what's right and wrong. Acceptable and unacceptable, true and false. This is why I've dubbed them the evil empire. They take unnecessary liberties with the power given to them.

You're speaking right from my heart, pal! ^^

kthulhu wrote:If someone across the street from you was beating their wife and children to a bloody pulp everyday, and claiming it's his "custom" to do so, because his religion, people, whatnot say so, would you hold your tongue because you can't tell him he's wrong to do so, less you "offend" him? Custom is not concrete, nor is it sacred because it's "right", or "right" because it's "sacred".

Right. Nobody has the right to beat someone other. Even if it's his "custom" to do so. What I'm saying is, absolutely nobody has the right to harm another human being. What somebody does to his own is another matter. If he believes in killing himself is sacred, well he should go for it. But in our society nobody can beat another one around without fearing the consequences. And when these consequences are another beating, or even war when talking about a more epic scale, this is really sad. Because violence only leads to more violence. That's my point here. Why can't we just go along with each other. Would that be soo hard? I don't think so. But that is the problem with mankind. One person maybe smart, but when it comes down to a crowd, the masses get dump, and try to follow one leader/opinion. Tis so sad...

MrOni wrote:Sorry the vietkong were communist nuts siding with the Nva to fight the south. The Nva was the north vietnamese army.

OK. I was wrong on that one... but I'm always trying to learn... so thanks :P

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Postby jonmartensen » Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:54 pm

Aetherfukz wrote:
Wykith wrote:Osama bin laden hates americans. He considers them the enemy because America has it's nose in everyone's business. They come in, take what they need and leave everyone else to fend for themselves. They do make the attempt to seem merciful though. First they bomb your home, kill your family and burn everything you own, but at least you get sandwiches afterwards. All thanx to good old thoughtful uncle Sam. They are the self proclaimed sheriffs of the world. The final word on what's right and wrong. Acceptable and unacceptable, true and false. This is why I've dubbed them the evil empire. They take unnecessary liberties with the power given to them.

You're speaking right from my heart, pal! ^^


To bad most of that is false or over exaggerated. It's like me saying most chinese parents have their baby killed if it isn't a boy, and if your Islamic you treat women like dogs.

Wykith has the same propblem Timelessblurr was having (except for the grammar and spelling part) in that he doesn't use facts or references, he just spits out whatever he has in his head that he believes is right.
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Postby EarthCurrent » Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:17 pm

Agh, what the heck happened to this thread?!?!?!?!

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Postby jonmartensen » Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:44 pm

My EEeyyyyeeeeeeessssss they burn!!!!!
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