Grave of the Fireflies.

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Grave of the Fireflies.

Postby Brolli411 » Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:46 pm

Did anyone find this as unbearably sad as I did?! *still wiping tears out* Ohhhhhh...
It may be sad, but that's no reason not to like it. Up until the end, I really loved the story line, a boy growing up without parental aid, and having to act as a person himself. Just they did a very good job devolving the characters. There are many other things I like about it, but that is the main thing.

What do you think about this very good anime?
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Postby CaTaClYsM » Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:15 pm

It is tied with vampire hunter D bloodlust as my favorite anime.
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Postby Mroni » Wed Dec 11, 2002 12:09 am

I found it to be a movie where the japs are trying to make themselves look like they were victims. I dont feel sorry for them one bit. A better movie is one called railway of the stars because it's a bunch of japs that were occupying korea and now they have to escape the communist and they have to rely on the koreans they enslaved for help. Yes Grave of the fireflys has some intense scenes in it but like every Miya what's his face film it's over rated.

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Postby Aetherfukz » Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:43 am

Mroni wrote:I found it to be a movie where the japs are trying to make themselves look like they were victims. I dont feel sorry for them one bit.

You... they WERE victims, ya know?! War was over at the time the bomb dropped. It was just an example what the USA can/could do... sad thing...
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Postby Projekt[Navi] » Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:48 am

I have to see this movie .. I keep hearing rave reviews of it .. and I always wanted to either get it or at least download it ... I'll go download it right now if I have too ... hell I will ... well ... I don't like the people who say that this anime is boring or is too long .. because some people been saying that .. but i don't care ... i'll go see it now .. thx broli_

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Postby thistledown » Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:52 am

It is a very good movie, but as I told my friends before I showed it to them, 'It is the most depressing movie I've ever seen!" And then, couple hours later, they also said, "That is the most depressing movie we've ever seen!" It's very good though. Very well developed, demonstrates the whole "pride" issue quite well I think.
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Postby Aetherfukz » Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:08 am

Quite true, that this is the most depressing movie ever, but take a look at Now and Then, Here and There, which maybe the most depressing Series ever after...
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Postby UncleMilo » Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:14 am

Mroni wrote:I found it to be a movie where the japs are trying to make themselves look like they were victims. I dont feel sorry for them one bit. A better movie is one called railway of the stars because it's a bunch of japs that were occupying korea and now they have to escape the communist and they have to rely on the koreans they enslaved for help. Yes Grave of the fireflys has some intense scenes in it but like every Miya what's his face film it's over rated.

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Mr. Oni has again and again posted some hateful, insensitive and useless drivel in the past, but this is a new low.

The movie is about how children were made to suffer during wartime. It doesn't matter what war we talk about... the movie is more about making us think about the suffering of innocents in the time of war.

I wish I could even talk coherently about my rage that comes to my mind when I read a post as empty and horrid as this.

I have already written many a post on what a wretched piece of human damage Mr. Oni is. Stupidity and ignorance on his level makes me just want to scream. Mr. Oni is the saddest statement on how bad our country is doing if it can still create festering little sores like him.

I have nothing but contempt for people like him...

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Little diseased, fearful, maladjusted, ignorant, cowardly, useless, stupid, cretinous, hate-monger.

He's so damaged that he actually likes to write things that will result in torrents of insults being hurled at him.

I've run out of words and am left with just swears to scream at this piece of filth

so I'm stopping here.

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Postby Mroni » Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:16 am

Aetherfukz wrote:
Mroni wrote:I found it to be a movie where the japs are trying to make themselves look like they were victims. I dont feel sorry for them one bit.

You... they WERE victims, ya know?! War was over at the time the bomb dropped. It was just an example what the USA can/could do... sad thing...


Lol are you on crack!!! they didn't surrender until we dropped 2 atom bombs on them. Grave of the fireflys is about the firebombing of tokyo . It's the firebombing of tokyo which didnt send the message so we had to drop two A bombs to let them know they couldn't win. took em freakin long enough to surrender.


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Re: Grave of the Fireflies.

Postby UncleMilo » Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:20 am

brolli411 wrote:Did anyone find this as unbearably sad as I did?! *still wiping tears out* Ohhhhhh...
It may be sad, but that's no reason not to like it. Up until the end, I really loved the story line, a boy growing up without parental aid, and having to act as a person himself. Just they did a very good job devolving the characters. There are many other things I like about it, but that is the main thing.

What do you think about this very good anime?


The movie is very sad. The loss of life of such young, innocent children is sad whether it is children suffering during war time or children getting shot in American Schools... such death is tragic... and only the most inhumane of people would find the death of children a trivial thing.

I have heard that this story is based on the true story of a man who lost his sister in the war... but in this case, the man survived, but was haunted by the loss...

The man who made this film also made "Whispers of the Heart" and is Miyazaki's protege. (Though Miyazaki did the dream sequence in that film)

I think Grave of the Fireflies is one of the best movies to come out of the anime world and that it is one of the most powerful movies on the tragedies of war.

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Postby Aetherfukz » Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:37 am

Mroni wrote:Lol are you on crack!!! they didn't surrender until we dropped 2 atom bombs on them. Grave of the fireflys is about the firebombing of tokyo . It's the firebombing of tokyo which didnt send the message so we had to drop two A bombs to let them know they couldn't win. took em freakin long enough to surrender.

Now I totally second what UncleMilo wrote about you!
You completely mad, or what? Although I have seen Grave of the Fireflies about 1-1/2 years ago, I remember that there was an A-Bomb dropped! I mean, if it was firebombing, why should all the people, especially the main characters little sister die of radioactivity? Firebombs != Radioactive -_-

You're completely freaked out it you think that the bombing of Japan was a good thing! It's not that Japan was "the good side", but neither so was the USA, the CSSR or even Germany. Nobody is "on the good side" in war. War is just cruel! Nobody wins it, besides the very Grip Reaper himself...

If your attitude is really like you wrote above there, I can only pity your lost soul, for you have no understanding of life.

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Postby Aetherfukz » Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:41 am

UncleMilo, you should really take a look at Now and Then, Here and There, if you haven't already. I think it is compareable to Grave of the Fireflies. The series is so brutal, so cruel, it shows war like it is. And the most depressing part about it is, that all of them are just children, so innocent, although driven into a mad man's war.
Hell, I even shared a tear when watching the very end of the series (as I did with GotF)! IMHO the cruelest part of that war is, that children have to kill other children, in order to survive. OMG, the whole series is so depressing! But a must have, if you like GotF.

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Postby thistledown » Wed Dec 11, 2002 11:08 am

Aetherfukz wrote: I mean, if it was firebombing, why should all the people, especially the main characters little sister die of radioactivity? Firebombs != Radioactive -_-
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Actually I think it was malnutrition that killed her. But you could be right.
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Postby Wykith » Wed Dec 11, 2002 11:23 am

No, no A-Bomb was dropped. The cities were burned though. Absolutely fantastic movie. Just reading these posts make me want to see it again with friends.
MrOni...........I usually can brush of your comments as childish or just plain silly ignorant but you touched a cord here with me. You're a blind fool if you don't see the horror that senseless cock measuring contest of a war that was.....just like this new one on "terrorism". Don't let them fool you. They're all full of shit.
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Postby IratusAngelus » Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:39 pm

I just watched it last week, and I'm pretty sure there was no A-bomb dropped. The Americans dropped burning logs on the villages to burn them down. No explosives of any kind at all. Setsuko died of malnutrition, not radioactivity. Seita took her to a doctor near the end of the movie, and he said all she needed was food. She was just sick and diseased. Or at least that's what I got out of it.

Yes, this movie is very sad, and very depressing. It shows what war can do to civilians in a devasted country. However, the more I think about it, the more I realize that I don't pity Seita. I pity his sister, for sure, because she was really too young to help herself. Seita, on the other hand, could have found a job, I think. From what I saw, he didn't attempt to find work or help his aunt out with taking care of them, or anything. He seemed rather lazy to me, if truth be told. Granted, he was a victim, and I did feel bad for him, but there is a point where he should have taken some responsibilty for himself and his sister.
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