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Postby Gatsthedarksword » Wed Nov 06, 2002 9:27 pm

okey, i know it's been argued to death about anime versus cartoons but today after about an hour of ball jokes started by the teacher asking us to clean the mouses in web mastering, i finally said, "ok it's over, not funny anymore, you can stop now." and of course i got the "ahhh come on it's funny." so i say "sure it was funny for the first bit but now it's stupid and childish." this is what i hear. "ok mr. anime" so i ask "you think anime is childish?" "yeah those cartoons are childish." now any anime fans know it's a little agrivating to hear cartoons to describe anime, but now they call it childish as well, so i very calmly ask "childish? you want kids watching scenes of rape and gore and violence on a scale your tiny mind would explode is it was exposed to." and they got quite for about half a second "yeah i think gore and violence is awsome."---ever been so astounded, astounded by stupidity that you just feal like beating some one to death. yeah i found that stupidity to much to do anything about and let it drop but later i got them back, i started banging my head against my knee as hard as i could, repeatedly. oh yeah there afraid of me now! which is way more fun than having their respect. anyway, if your pissed off at some peoples disgracefull opinion of anime put it in here and vent, cause i would hate to see any member of the org behind bars for justifiable manslaughter.
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Postby belkram23 » Wed Nov 06, 2002 9:44 pm

ha, that'll show em. i dont usually run into the childish or cartoony comments. most people round here havent even heard of anime, or if they have, all they know is whats been shown on cn. which is what drives me up the wall. when people judge all anime by just the crud cartoon network shows, which might be decent if it werent dubbed and edited to poot. or even worse, when supposed "fans" of anime brag about how great dbz and sailor moon are, and then just stand dumbfounded with a big question mark above their heads when you mention other series' like evangelion and berserk. I used to be pretty ignorant of anime. the most i'd seen was clips from vampire hunter d on sci fi, and unico from who knows where. even the more popular animes like cowboy bebop i had never heard of. however, when i found there was a title i was ignorant of, i went out and tried to see it as soon as i could. sadly though as i am poor, i'm limited to the low bandwith and low selection of kazaa
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Postby Rini210 » Wed Nov 06, 2002 9:57 pm

Such uneducated people. I hate it when people do that. But yes, go you for not loosing your temper! I would have gotton so pissed off at them and done something... violent? Well, yes, childish animé is so not an option, unless they're comparing it to something such as Pokémon, Sailor Moon, or Hamtaro. They're so stupid for related anything and eveything animé to those shows, not even thinking that there, perhaps, could be more. I guess it was sorta funny, though, how after you said that "childish? you want kids watching scenes of rape and gore and violence on a scale your tiny mind would explode is it was exposed to." and how they just stopped for a moment. Lol, show them who's boss! And, thus, I'm ranting about nothing again, and I will end this post.
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:29 pm

just strap them down and have them watch end of eva, perfect blue, and akira
they'll never talk again, i promise 8)
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Postby kthulhu » Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:31 pm

RadicalEd0 wrote:just strap them down and have them watch end of eva, perfect blue, and akira
they'll never talk again, i promise 8)


I prefer tying them over a barrel, stuffing an apple in their mouths, and letting Manny the gimp have his way with them.

Of course, I try to solve all my problems that way, so...
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Postby TheRealNeoHentaiMaster » Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:41 pm

RadicalEd0 wrote:just strap them down and have them watch end of eva


I wouldnt wish that on my worst enemy. Seriously, after seeing that movie I came to the conclusion that all serious Eva fans were just really big masocist.

Anyway, this whole argument can be ended by just realizing that anime is not a genre has some people seem treat it(including fans). Its simply a medium for film making just like live action movie making and is used to make flims that are just has diverse.
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Postby Tsuji Mania » Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:56 pm

Sure there are childish animated programs from Japan. Do you mean to tell me that you think every animated work from Japan is meant for viewing by all ages?

To describe all animation as childish is absurd. And yet to say that all animated programs are serious thought-provoking pieces is equally ridiculous.
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:52 pm

I like it when you draw a really cool picture for a project in english class and some girl blurts out "It looks like some guy from pokemon"
oh.. god.. the american ignorance
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Postby Anime Jedi » Thu Nov 07, 2002 12:15 am

Even with all this, and the anime that is directed to younger audiences, all you have to do is understand it at a more mature level. Pokémon, it's primarily aimed at children, well I'm pretty sure, but if you think about the plot and the ideas more thoroughly, it becomes more interesting than just some kid with little monsters that he does the same thing over, and over, and over... Although this is true :lol: . Anyways, that's how i love almost all anime, I just understand it differently. :D
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Postby Trepe » Thu Nov 07, 2002 12:15 am

I think what people need to overcome is the cartoon format. Once they move on from the fact they're watching a "cartoon," they'll begin to see a medium full of rich plot, developed characters, creativity... everything that makes our favorite anime great. Many people have said it countless times in the past: "Disney has ruined animation for most adults. Cartoons are for kids." At least it's comforting to know that our generation won't be as ignorant as our parents are when we're that age (hopefully ^_^).
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Postby Tsuji Mania » Thu Nov 07, 2002 12:49 pm

Even with all this, and the anime that is directed to younger audiences, all you have to do is understand it at a more mature level. Pokémon, it's primarily aimed at children, well I'm pretty sure, but if you think about the plot and the ideas more thoroughly, it becomes more interesting than just some kid with little monsters that he does the same thing over, and over, and over... Although this is true . Anyways, that's how i love almost all anime, I just understand it differently.


Sorry, Pokemon is a cartoon that only teaches basic societal interactions hopes and dreams. There is nothing deep. Watching it is only a way to convey to children how to carry on their lives.

I also regret to use the Shinseki Evangelion crutch that almost every anime fan falls on or waves around like a banner.

Eva is essentially Hideaki whining about his life. He even stated that to appreciate the series, one must drop all the religious jargon and symbolism because it means nothing, it is simply there to be an interesting as well as confusing backdrop for people who are unfamilliar with those religions. The Christian and Jewish religions are mashed together, and even archaic Jewish philosophy is included in the series, all at once. It makes no sense, it's just there for fun and speculation.

The true meaning is Hideaki's recovery via the character Ikari Shinji. That is the essence of the entire story.

So I think Eva represents an excellent psycholigical commentary, but not neccessarily a good societal one. Although one can extrapolate Hideaki's feelings on/towards modern society visa vi Shinji's interactions with those around him, it is my personal opinion that we're only seeing how Hideaki viewed the world at a time when he was mentally unstable. For a better look at society as studied through Japanese animation, one must consider the superb NieA_7. This series, although highly biased, is a man's interpretation of the culture's of the world merging together in Japan, and how they affect it for better or for worse. Although I myself have not been able to understand everything the series has to offer, there are certainly several parallels that I can draw between that fictional world and our own.

Anyway, the long and short of it is, Pokemon teaches Kindergarten-like values about how to be a good person, how to interact with friends, etc. It's a teaching (as well as selling) device. It is not in any way shape or form thought-provoking.
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Postby belkram23 » Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:23 pm

Tsuji Mania wrote:
Anyway, the long and short of it is, Pokemon teaches Kindergarten-like values about how to be a good person, how to interact with friends, etc. It's a teaching (as well as selling) device. It is not in any way shape or form thought-provoking.


pokemon does have many values and lessons to teach to kids, but that doesnt mean it cant be enjoyed without learning something. thoughts, and values and issues that can be applied to daily life certainly makes an anime interesting and adds to the enjoyment, but you can enjoy it simply because there are a bunch of robots smashing each other, or a bunch of cute little creatures fighting. i enjoyed the thought provoking social and psychological issues presented, but one could just as easily enjoy the relationships between the characters, or the cool giant robots blowing up things.

as much fun as it is to analyze anime and find how it applies to daily life, the true long and short of it is that its meant to be entertainment. and if you enjoy it, for whatever reason, then its served its purpose.
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Postby belkram23 » Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:28 pm

besides which, brock cracks me up :)
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Postby Tsuji Mania » Thu Nov 07, 2002 4:58 pm

i enjoyed the thought provoking social and psychological issues presented, but one could just as easily enjoy the relationships between the characters, or the cool giant robots blowing up things.


And I never said I didn't like series like Pokemon. Otherwise I could not like DBZ as much as did.

I hate Japanese anime fans who jump on the l337 bandwagon thinking anything that isn't the creation of personal pain and torment is inferior.
Sometimes I just wanna have fun and watch stupid crap. That's what stuff like Love Hina, Pokemon and Digimon are there for.
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Postby belkram23 » Thu Nov 07, 2002 8:03 pm

ahhh thank you for clarifying. yeah i agree sometimes i wanna think, or sometimes i wanna just watch something that'll make me laugh. what i was saying though, is that although something that may seem to be ridiculous and cutesy or simple, may have another level to it that can cause some thought. dbz is a good example. i like dbz alot. because its funny and guys are beating the crap out of each other. however i also like it because i find the whole 'ki' thing very interesting. especially when gohan is teaching videl. however the generic energy blasts get annoying after a while. typical situation: oh my, he shot an energy blast at that guy. wow what a surprise he knocked it away. look now he's shooting his own energy blast, :-o it exploded!!! did he die? i dunno gotta wait 5 minutes for the dust to settle. ^_^ that being the one thing i find annoying about dbz.
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