ANIME... not cartoon...

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Postby paizuri » Wed Oct 23, 2002 2:49 pm

Clara Yuri Asaki wrote:We have mentioned that Anime is officially Art, while Cartoons are not. That would definetly make them not the same.

Cartoons contain artwork, how can they not be considered a form of art?
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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Wed Oct 23, 2002 2:58 pm

I'm not sure. But officially is a key word there.

The original post about it tells more.... it's somewhere in the middle of this thread.
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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Wed Oct 23, 2002 3:03 pm

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Postby MCWagner » Wed Oct 23, 2002 4:09 pm

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Oh wow. I just realized what you were talking about. You're referring to Sammy's "History of Anime" announcing that Wings of Honneamais was the point when Anime "officially" became an art form, right?

Oh man.

I'm going to try and refrain from laughing outright so no one gets mad, but that's absolute nonsense.

What I THINK (don't know for certian) Sammy meant by that segment was that "Wings" was the first Anime film to recieve significant critical acclaim from film reviewers outside the genre. Whether or not that's true depends on how you define "significant." (After all, Naussica came out before "Wings," to much critical acclaim, as well as many, many others.)

At any rate, that is far from any kind of "official" induction to "Art" status. There's no such thing as "official" art...and even if there was, that would only apply on a film-by-film basis. You couldn't induct an entire genre or medium into being "officially art", just as every book ever written couldn't be made "official art" just because some academic liked one novel in particular.

I'm sorry, but your current argument is saying that "Dog Soldier"is art and "The Iron Giant"is not. At least one of these statments can't be true...
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Wed Oct 23, 2002 4:18 pm

that video is very amusing... Sammy blatantly did a google search for "history of anime" for the written content.

This thread is never going to come to a conclusion, as is typical of most discussions of semantics. Some people prefer a precise definition, others prefer one that suits how they feel about the thing being described. Nobody can agree.

As for the nature of art.... that's one big can of worms you got there :)
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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Wed Oct 23, 2002 4:29 pm

I didn't mean that Cartoons didn't contain artwork, or that they were'nt art. I just meant that Cartoons haven't been called "Art" officially. Just like "ain't" isn't official a word.

If you want the ultimate proof that Anime and Cartoons are different, just watch them. They just aren't the same.
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Postby Tsuji Mania » Wed Oct 23, 2002 4:41 pm

Some people prefer a precise definition, others prefer one that suits how they feel about the thing being described.


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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:01 pm

Clara Yuri Asaki wrote:It's not my opinion that Animes and Cartoons aren't the same, IT'S PLAIN F :evil: CKING OBVIOUS!!!


I said this on Page 14. Somehow, it goes with what "AbsoluteDestiny" just said.
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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:02 pm

I mean the part that you just quoted, Tsuji.
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Postby paizuri » Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:28 pm

I can't help but wonder if this thread could've been resolved on the first page.

alternatefutures wrote:If the anime you were watching was meant to be humorous, it is a cartoon. Anime and cartoon are not exclusive terms, there is a lot of overlap between the two.

I do believe that some anime shows are cartoons, but not all of them. Much like some animated shows in the US are cartoons, but not all of them (I don't consider Batman: The Animated Series or Gargoyles to be cartoons).
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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:32 pm

I also said that if an Anime is funny, it should be called a Funny Anime. Because that would seperate it from a totally different Sponge Bob or Ed, Ed, & Eddy.

Excel Saga and Sponge Bob both contain funny things that are "Cartoon-like", but they still are very different. Also, the comedy of Funny Anime didn't come from Cartoons.
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Re: ANIME... not cartoon...

Postby Sub0 » Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:45 pm

The Non-Professional wrote:Ever talked to a friend or someone metion an anime and they are like "Oh! I've seen that cartoon, i like it." i hate it when they call it a cartoon cause its not a cartoon anime is something more than a cartoon to me. or am i just weird by getting defensive like that?


again (cuz I'm assuming it was said already... hopefully) it depends on your definition of cartoon (toon generally being looney and childish). Some (most) say anime is animated stuff, cartoons is animated stuff so anime is cartoon, otaku says anime is animated stuff for the mass public while cartoons are just for rabb.. er kids. BUT in america most dubs seem to be 'just for' kids so I've quit arguing this point cuz the damed dub companys are just too big and dum. So I usually say something like yeah and under my breath, but it's not like most dubbed anime isn't aimed at 14yr old kids...
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Postby Sub0 » Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:47 pm

TheRealNeoHentaiMaster wrote:
Clara Yuri Asaki wrote:If you truly believe that Animes are Cartoons are the same just because both are animated, then you are an ignorant primative fool who can only grasp the most basic of concepts.



See, this is a perfect example of the anime fan with the "I am better than you, I watch anime not cartoons" type attitude. Thanks for the demonstration Clara. The fact is, like I said before, maybe they are different, but no one outside of the strict anime fan group really gives a shit. Most people dont draw a line between the two, so there is none. Its not a matter of seeing more deeply into it or something. Im afraid your giving yourself a little too much credit here. Its just a word used to clarify a catagory. You talk like all anime is brilliant and all cartoons are simple kids shows. Wake up, most anime sucks ass anyway, just like most movies. In the US, we only get to see the best stuff because they dont even bother exporting the bad stuff from Japan, and even a lot the exported stuff sucks, so that just goes to show how bad soem of the stuff we never see is. But, there are some that are really good and worth watching. Same with american animation.


however in this case where, apparantly, both parties are interested than it's ok. :o

but yeah, if your parent (or some other uninformed person) happens to say 'you watch too many damned cartoons, clean your room!' Than it would be a waste of breath and another excuse for your parents to be worried about you if you give them this shtick ;-p.
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Postby Anime Jedi » Wed Oct 23, 2002 7:11 pm

paizuri wrote:I can't help but wonder if this thread could've been resolved on the first page.

Maybe it could've, but then we wouldn't have had this much fun. :lol:
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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Wed Oct 23, 2002 7:33 pm

And this site is about having fun, right? ^_^
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