ANIME... not cartoon...

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Postby Anime Jedi » Wed Oct 09, 2002 10:22 pm

That's some good advice TheRealNeoHentaiMaster. But it can't be done over night. So it looks like we're slowly gonna have to get over this little phobia many of us have. :D

Let's hear the words: I love cartoons!
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Postby Lyrs » Wed Oct 09, 2002 10:26 pm

Chef wrote:time for a lyrs moment:

animes are cartoons. get over it.

...and im spent.


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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:11 pm

If Anime and Cartoons are the same thing, there would not be two different words to describe them.

If you truly believe that Animes are Cartoons are the same just because both are animated, then you are an ignorant primative fool who can only grasp the most basic of concepts.

First off, it seems that you all are confused on what a Cartoon really is. A Cartoon is what you read in the newpaper. Thoses little Comic Strips.. those are Cartoons. When the idea of taking those drawings and animating them came about, the name "Cartoons" stuck because the first "Cartoons" presented the same material and ideas as those in the Comic Strips. (You know, like those really early Micky Mouse Cartoons that Disney made)

If you wanna be all technical about it, then Anime and Cartoons truly are two different things. Anime means "Animation" in Japan..... but in America, Anime means "Japanese Animation". And besides, Anime also refers to a certain art style of animation. Which is very different from the Cartoon style of animation.

Also, alot of the shows on TV nowadays kinda escape the idea of being a Cartoon. While most of the material on Cartoon Network can be considered a Cartoon, (or else they couldn't call theirselves Cartoon Network) it's really hard to consider most shows on Nickelodeon and even Disney to be Cartoons. I might say that something like Sponge Bob Square Pants is a Cartoon, but something like Hey Arnold! doesn't seem like a Cartoon. It's animated, but that doesn't make it a Cartoon. Stop thinking on such basic and primative levels. I wouldn't call something like Kim Possible a Cartoon either.... Or X-Men or X-Men: Evolution....... Or whatever saga the animated Batman is up to now..... But stuff like Cow & Chicken and Ed, Edd, & Eddy and even Dexter's Laboratory could definetly be called a Cartoon.

I don't think that even people in Japan refer to something like Batman as an Anime either. They probably did import the word "Cartoon" for them. And if not, it's probably because some ignorant primative translator is teaching them that "Cartoon" is the American word for "Anime". But those who study this alittle farther than basic similarities will realize that Anime and Cartoons truly are two different things.

Cartoons are only Kiddie in connotation. Cartoons were really meant for EVERYONE! Or rather, ALL AGES! Cartoons are fun, and I'm not embarassed to watch one or say that I do. But Anime and Cartoons are not the same.

Both Anime and Cartoons are cool! It's just not cool to say that they are the same. Obviosuly though, we all like Anime more.... ALOT MORE!!! The style of Anime is more preferable and cooler because it's alot more mature, has more feeling and thought, and has so much more moral. But still, I'm OK with Cartoons.... I just really like Anime alot more!!! Also, I like watching Disney animated features like The Emporers New Groove cause that's really funny and somehow it's not aimed at only kids, but for all ages.

Notice I didn't say Disney Cartoon.... cause Disney Movies are not Cartoons at all..... not even the older ones like Beauty and the Beast. Mickey Mouse was a Cartoon.. and the rest of the Disnet animal chars... but now they're Animated Features! There IS a very BIG difference there. You could call something like Princess Mononoke an Animated Feature, but DEFINITELY NOT a Cartoon... But Anime Movie is a lot more accurate!!

But I suppose some of you believe that Football and Basketball are the same just because they both have balls and goals.
Or that Skateboarding and In-Line Skating are the same just because you skate on wheels.
Or that a Pen and Pencil are the same just because they both can be used to write.

And what? Now you're going to try to tell us that Coloring Books and Manga are the same?! Or Comics and Manga?!!

(if there are any Typos... Sorry.. :lol: .. this message is too big to look over again....)
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Postby clickbangburn » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:40 pm

i think the main point here is that the word cartoon sounds hm...
childish, stupid, and immature.
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Postby Anime Jedi » Thu Oct 10, 2002 5:23 pm

Unfortunetely Clara Yuri Asaki, we are normally unable to explain this difference in the 2 genres to people who are less knowledgeable of these facts. So on a day-to-day basis, we must have something to live by. Either, just tell everyone that anime is no cartoon, accept the remark made by others that anime is a cartoon, try explaining the whole scenario to anyone who calls anime a cartoon, or use whatever method anyone else can come up with. :D

I pretty much stick with the fact that it's anime. If others disagree, I'll listen to their ideas, but stick with my own. I'd rather not argue with anyone, this way, distancing the gap that there may be between anime and cartoons. :D
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Postby The Non-Professional » Thu Oct 10, 2002 6:06 pm

OK so sure anime is animation which cartoons are but you gotta consider the content cartoons here in america never last they have no real plot and get boring faster than shinji whining, anime deals with content that soap opras couldnt begin to handle. you never saw cartoons with porn in them(hentai) you never saw carttons with gay men in them(yaoi) never saw a cartoon which will make you second guess your life(Eva) never saw a cartoon that gave you so much false hope for a good relationship(Love HIna Kare Kano).To me there is a huge difference between cartoons and anime. but this is just my opinion, and never say that anime is a cartoon aroumnd me. :twisted:
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Postby The Non-Professional » Thu Oct 10, 2002 6:07 pm

damn my un-l33t typing skillz!
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Postby Anime Jedi » Thu Oct 10, 2002 6:15 pm

Samurai Jack made me second guess about what I should do with my life. Always fighting for the greater good, at the sacrifice of your own happyness. Kinda like Rokusho (Meadabots).
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Postby The Non-Professional » Thu Oct 10, 2002 6:34 pm

now thats a good show samurai jack. if only cartoonnetwork would hurry up and do something with it. :cry:
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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Thu Oct 10, 2002 6:37 pm

Yeah Non-Profesional,... Cartoons are very shallow and unimaginative! ANIME IS SO COOL!!!!!!! YES!!! Anime is filled with so much feeling and emotion!!! Anime is so COMPLEX!!!! Anime has the ability to extend farther than any other animated media!! YEAH!!!! Sure... Anime trends do occur often, but that's because at least Japanese Animators can make something cool enough to become trendy!! Not even Disney has ever made something that started a trend! They really don't make to many Original movies either! Most of what they make is just from Books or Plays or something! Well... maybe Anime comes from Manga, but that's alot more original and COOLER than what Disney does.

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Don't worry, Anime Jedi. It's just a phase that people who are transferring from American media to Japanese media go through. Some students respect the Master, some students are envious and immature. Somehow, I've always known what Anime is, so I never even considered Anime as Cartoons. But some people just won't get racist-like and stereotype-like opinions out of their head.

If someone tells me that Anime and Cartoons are the same, I just say "Ummm... No" in one of those "What kind of idiot-stupid-loser-dork-freak are you?" voices. And since the only reason why people think that Anime and Cartoons are the same is because they are both animated, (such a primative and basic thought it is) I can always also say "You're just a ignorant primative fool who can only grasp the most basic of concepts! Ooohh wow!! Anime and Cartoons are animated!!!! OOOOOH, THEY'RE SUDDENLY THE SAME!!!" And add alot of the other things I've listed in my other post. They're usually speechless when it's all done. Especially if you scream it all! I mean, even if you don't understand it, you can still get the idea that seriously, Anime and Cartoons are not the same. Of course, if someone is saying that Anime and Cartoons are the same just to make you mad, you ignore them just to make THEM mad!! Yeah!! It's really pathetic what these people will do to try to make you mad with this "Anime Cartoon Same Thing" idea.

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And now, for a few things I forgot to mention.

I do realize that "Japanese Cartoons" (though the oxymoron it is when you actually think about it) is the way how those not "in the club" remember Anime. Actually... those people don't really know Anime. Even if you're not much of an Anime or very knowledgable of Anime, (why would you be here anyways?) you should still respect this difference between Anime and Cartoons. You know that one is called Anime, and the other is called Cartoons, and THAT should be enough! If you truly don't know enough about both Anime and Cartoons to realize the difference between them, then how could you TRULY say that they are the same?

I do think that Anime desreves more respect than Cartoons too. And Anime definitely deserves alot more respect than it's getting now. Why would tell Anime fans that Anime and Cartoons are the same other than to be mean, jealous, or just plain rude and disrepectful and immature?! There's no way that you could honestly believe that they are actually different! You just wanna try to get in Anime fans' faces!

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I haven't seen Samurai Jack, by the way...... I've heard that the opening song is real cool though!

(This message is kinda out of place cause I started typing it after Anime Jedi's first Post after mine... but then 4 more replies came up while I was writing.... sorry if this messes up the order of things. I tried to catch it up.)
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Postby The Non-Professional » Thu Oct 10, 2002 6:51 pm

the opening song is cool, id low-ride to it if i had a low rider... :cry:
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Postby Anime Jedi » Thu Oct 10, 2002 6:55 pm

Clara Yuri Asaki wrote:I haven't seen Samurai Jack, by the way...... I've heard that the opening song is real cool though!

It's an awesome show. Has a lot of action, and a cool plot. A samurai's village is attacked by an evil shape shifting sorcerer. The samurai is sent away (as a child) to train and gain much knowledge. He returns one day and almost destroys the evil guy. As a last move, the evil guy send the samurai into the future, which, since the samurai has been gone, is ruled by the evil guy. Now the samurai tries to find his way home, at the same time kickin' the evil guy's henchmen's butts.

Anyways, I actually don't like the theme song. I find it too repetitive and doesn't match the show very well.

Clara Yuri Asaki wrote:This message is kinda out of place cause I started typing it after Anime Jedi's first Post after mine... but then 4 more replies came up while I was writing.... sorry if this messes up the order of things. I tried to catch it up.

I hate it when that happens, you want to type up something good and meaningful, but then find out that you're already behind. Somehow we've got to combine speed, accuracy and great ideas all in one. But that's really hard to do. :D
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Postby Chef » Thu Oct 10, 2002 7:01 pm

Clara Yuri Asaki wrote:This message is kinda out of place cause I started typing it after Anime Jedi's first Post after mine... but then 4 more replies came up while I was writing.... sorry if this messes up the order of things. I tried to catch it up.


thats specially annoying on the what does this word mean to you thread...and animes are cartoons to stay on topic
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Postby Clara Yuri Asaki » Thu Oct 10, 2002 7:06 pm

I guess I'll try to catch an episode then! Anyone know where I can get the song?

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I'm confused about what you are trying to say Chef..... your grammar and puncuation are very awkward.... sorry.... I can't understand what you're trying to say....(am I over-reacting?.... i think i am..... ahhh! :oops: )

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I kinda forgot to add this to the end of my other two posts, so I'll put it here:
I must congratulate you if you actually read all of this! :D
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Postby Anime Jedi » Thu Oct 10, 2002 7:46 pm

Yay, I'm congratulated!

Anyways, I think what Chef means, is that the idea where you post and a bunch of other people have posted before is really frustrating in the "What does this word mean to you?" threads. Since the idea is to respond to the person before using only one word. Therefor, it's easy for someone to beat you to the punch, and you're left out looking like you're too slow. :D
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